IGCasanova's lazy language learning guide
I can speak four languages, three of which fluently and the fourth one (Spanish) is currently at the intermediate level. I am pretty sure that after my trip to SA this autumn I will be close to fluent.
I could say I am at beginners level in eight other languages, which means I can count to 10 or 100 say hello, thank you, how are you, where do you live etc. and can understand a little bit.
This result is nothing special. What is different is that I did not really work hard or sit down with books to achieve this.

*Why should you do this?

1. This is a DHV and helps with game.

I was once running "twilight game" with my brother at the Khao San road. We did not go inside of any bars, just going along the road and approaching chicks that were standing outside or walking towards us. We chatted up some Chilean, Dutch, Polish, German, Thai, Russian, Argentinian and French chicks that night. Some of the languages I could speak fluently but in all of those I could at least say 5 to 10 typical beginning of the conversation phrases which really impressed and flattered the girls. Especially with Languages that are not that common like Dutch. 

We don't hang out with my bro that often outside of the home country so he straight out thought I am a fucking genius, and I can actually speak all these languages fluently. While that is not true, that is what most people are going to think. Especially when you learn the phrases the way I do (with emphasis on pronunciation)

2. When you are in dating stages and you are picking up words girls love it, they love teaching you, and they love seeing you progress.

3. It boosts your brain. Language learning improves your memory and keeps you sharp. I have read somewhere that each language is stored in a different part of your brain and this way it keeps your brain loaded. So no Alzheimer's for you in old age.

*So how do you do this?

* When you are serious.

Here is the trick. Learning languages is difficult. If something is difficult you will try to find a way not to do it. But there is a way you can actually make your laziness work for you.

Once you get serious with learning a language, and you are in beginner's phase, but feel no progress.

First step

Find a TV episodes or soap opera in the target language, download it or stream it(preferably with subtitles) and start watching. Make sure not to use dictionary at the first stages. Don't stop watching to translate or learn something. Just keep watching and get addicted to the episodes. Once you are addicted you will keep watching it even when you're lazy and few seasons in you will start to notice that you are looking less and less at subtitles and get the grasp of the language.

This is the way we learn language when we are kids. Your brain does all the work behind the scenes. I have a theory about this. I think once you hear a sentence of 5 words, and you only know 2 of them the brain will register the other 3 with some kind of probable meaning, it will also take in account the setting the tone of conversation and all non verbal that is going on at the screen. After the same word is repeated several times in different sentences it gets the meaning shaped up and voila. You know the word without ever translating it. 

Next step. 


If you are really serious about the language then at the moments when you are not feeling lazy go to http://www.duolingo.com and learn there. This is also kind of fun way, and it does not take much time. 

I did this with Spanish. After watching 3 seasons of Muneca Brava (Argentinian soap opera) with English subtitle on youtube and half year of Duolingo, I can actually speak Spanish. I think I suck, but people complement me.

Next step.

Spoof your Tinder to a country that speaks your target language. In my case I was spoofing to Bogota for Spanish. Start chatting with girls. Take their whatsapp. Even if you suck call them and chat. I am at this step right now, and I feel the progress. I complain to girls how much I suck, they say "no preocupes" and teach me Spanish. 

Benefit, if the girl is cute and you are actually planning to visit a place, after hours of phone conversation you are probably going to make sweet love to her on the moment of your arrival. 

* When you are not serious.

Develop a habit.

Wherever you go if you date girls or generally meet people ask them. Ask them how things are called. When you want to say thank you to the waiter ask him how do you say thank you in your language. Then repat it few times. Pay attention to the actual way he says it. Because the pronunciation is important. There is one 6 word phrase in German that I've learned few years ago. I don't even know how to write it correctly it goes something like this "ich wunshe inen einen angeneimen aufentat". It means I wish you good luck or something of that sort. Each time I meet a German I say it. They say I almost have no accent and it sounds really cool to people (girls) around you. 

You see light sparkle in people eyes when they think you can speak their language. And even if you can't really, they already like you.

* When you are semi-serious

Download a language learning audiobook. Put it on your phone. Don't get too serious about it. Just once you're bored listen to it like you listen to the music. You might even like it. Gives you a great grasp on pronunciation. Trust me. Do it for few weeks. You will now have a lot of phrases you can randomly use. I don't know how it works and why the brains chooses some phrases over the others, but trust me some of them will stay with you forever. If you suddenly get serious about the language just follow the previously described steps. 

*Other thoughts on this subject.

Some guys are troubled about not knowing what to say to a girl. Well if a girl speaks any other languages now you know one more subject.

Once you know 3 languages or more, it gets easier. Your brain develops ways to learn words efficiently. Three of the languages I speak fluently are from different branches of indo-european languages. For example English is a Germanic language with a lot of Latin influence. Learning English will make learning German and Spanish easier. Learning Russian will allow you to understand Ukrainian, and learning Polish will be easier. 

Don't get too serious. Use your laziness to your advantage. Learn like children do. Use language learning as a tool to get connected to people (girls).

I hope some of you will find this useful.

P.S. This is the post I have originally posted on RVF about 3 years ago. I have been banned for no real reason in 2017, so I think this forum deserves this information better than RVF. Very few things have changed since then however it is still a very valid advice. Few updates, I have since got my Spanish to fluent and have also learned to speak portuguese. I would say more of a Portunhol, but it did not stop me from getting some same day lays from Daygame in Sao Paulo. 

I strongly belief other people who were hurt by bad treatment from RVF as well as mental instability of the Roosh, should move their datasheets here.
Good info.

Vinny I saw that you have/had a forum as well but it's good if the bulk of the refugees or previously banned members like yourself having a new place to congregate.
I think this is some good advice.I actually was doing some things you mentioned.Years ago I was watching Spanish channels which at first was for the women.I discovered some interesting novelas and stated watching with captions whenever translations was available partly to understand and to also pick up some of the language. I was also using Duolingo recently but stopped for awhile,I have to get back into that. I bought a pretty good Spanish course on Udemy called Spanish Made Simple which teaches grammar and conversations to make you sound less like a gringo. I also bought a program called Fluent in 3 which teaches language hacks but I haven’t gotten to it as yet
Best way to get fluent is to get yourself a long haired dictionary.
I also speak 3 foreign languages at B1+ or higher level (French, Spanish, Russian) plus my native English. Plus I can read a few others (Portuguese, Catalan, Gallego, Italian, basic German) and I used to be able to speak Greek at A2 level and read biblical Greek (don't worry, I'm not part of the recent RVF descent into religious madness) and finally I used to be able to speak Turkish at A1 level. So I know a thing or two about language learning.

I cannot say enough bad things about Duolingo. It is a fun toy but that is it. Just avoid.

The approach I recommend is as follows:

0) Before starting to learn the language, get a decent dictionary app for your smartphone. I use ABBYY, which integrates well with Moon+ Ereader on Android. Note that the free dictionaries on this app are junk. You have to pay for the quality dictionaries. This app focuses on Russian, but they also have good dictionaries for French-English and Spanish-English. Dictionaries go on sale periodically, so set the app to notify you of sales and you can save a little money that way.

1) Pimsleur 90 day course. Pimsleur dwarfs all other methods in teaching correct pronunciation, which is something you really need to get right from the start. It also gives a nice basic vocabulary of about 500-1000 words and plenty practice using that basic vocabulary. It's also painless and works for everyone because it resembles the way human babies naturally learn language, which is by ear, not reading books or staring at a smartphone screen. If you just want the basics of a language, Pimsleur may be ask you need.

Pimsleur used to be expensive, but they now offer a $15/month subscription service (at least to US residents), including a free 7 day trial. Google it. (Here's a link I just found for the free trial: https://offers.pimsleur.com/free-trial-1..._campaign=)

For a hard language like Russian, you should do a new Pimsleur lesson each evening, then repeat that lesson the next morning. For easy languages like Spanish, this repetition might not be necessary.

Some languages have more than 90 units available, but I think best to move on to Assimil after 90.

2) Having finished Pimsleur 90 day course in about 4 months (allowing for occasional missed days), next step is 100 unit Assimil Sans Peine course. You can order direct from the French publisher. Use PayPal for credit cards, since they sometimes have trouble with US credit cards used directly. Tracked shipping to USA takes about a week. Assimil is more difficult than Pimsleur, but teaches more vocabulary and includes a grammar text. About 4 months to complete Assimil, though you may repeat it several times again later.

3) Now you need to add vocabulary, which can take many years for a language like Russian. Various ways to accomplish this. I prefer recordings with transcripts (audiobooks or podcasts with transcripts). Listen to recording, read transcript, look up unknown words in dictionary, listen to recording again, etc, etc.

4) There are some extremely powerful Anki decks (AnkiDroid app on Android, similar app for iOS) for major languages by this guy: http://frequencylists.blogspot.com.br/ Search that site for a full list of his Ank decks.

16000 French sentences sorted from easiest to hardest
10000 Spanish sentences sorted from easiest to hardest
10000 German sentences sorted from easiest to hardest
13000 Russian sentences sorted from easiest to hardest
Similar decks fur Portuguese, Dutch, Italian, Turkish, etc

For Russian, there is a better modified version:

Russian 7000+ sentences, new words introduced gradually

This last deck takes about a year at an hour per day of study. These decks are extremely powerful.

5) You can, of course take private lessons or group classes, but these are way less efficient than self study.

6) Avoid video, since it is too easy to get meaning from images rather than sound.

7) Listening comprehension is the hardest skill and thus the one to focus on: listen to a native language podcast or audiobook and answer questions about what was said. It is easy to convert passive listening comprehension into active speaking ability.

8) Yes, the "long-haired dictionary" is a big help. Motivation and correct pronunciation are the two things that matter most in language learning, and she can help with both.
(05-26-2019, 01:11 AM)SC87 Wrote: Good info.

Vinny I saw that you have/had a forum as well but it's good if the bulk of the refugees or previously banned members like yourself having a new place to congregate.

Yea I had a forum but I took it down. STW is a well established forum and I trust the THC and 20Nation will make it work!

@shemp Duolingo used to be more fun. Now there are too many adds.
My language hack

1. Create a guide of target language

1,000 most common words and phrases

2. Study x amount everyday (preferably one on one with a native speaker)

3. Immerse yourself in said language

chat and talk with girls everyday
listen to target language music
watch target language tv shows and movies
listen to study audio while commuting to work, working out, etc

You need to get to about an A2 level to reasonably go on dates with girls who speak no English. B1 would be more ideal though.
Your "first step", watching a foreign language TV program and waiting until you're addicted to the show before turning off subtitles is brilliant. I'll try shows like "La Casa de Papel" or "Ingobernable" on Netflix.

I've been going through Duolingo Spanish. I've found I can often fit a single lesson in-between sets at the gym. So far I've found that you really want to be practicing at least 20+ minutes a day if you're new to the language.

For Pimsleur you can download the audiobook via torrents.
Credit to you if you can learn a language through watching TV. My brain is not built that way. I wish it was because I've tried to pick up stuff from shows/movies I watch in Spanish, French, and Japanese. The best I can really do while not stopping the shows too much is picking up the 5-10 words or phrases I hear the most. I think I'm the type that'd require flashcard study for a language.
(05-27-2019, 10:12 AM)yankeetravels Wrote: Credit to you if you can learn a language through watching TV. My brain is not built that way. I wish it was because I've tried to pick up stuff from shows/movies I watch in Spanish, French, and Japanese. The best I can really do while not stopping the shows too much is picking up the 5-10 words or phrases I hear the most. I think I'm the type that'd require flashcard study for a language.

Your brain is build for this, this is how you learned your first language. Think about it when you were a kid, you were observing and learning, you could not use apps read books etc. 

But to improve this I advice picking up a base using some apps before starting to watch TV shows, you missed that part of the datasheet. It is crucial.
If you can grasp a meaning of 1 word in the sentence, plus the stuff you see on the screen your brain will decode the rest.

However I must admit it is easier for some people.
I think watching tv and movies only helps once you have a good handle on the language. It reminds you of words you have only studied once or twice or maybe forgot, it also helps you grasp sentence structure and phrases. I'm a huge believer in watching tv and movie in the language you want. Sometimes when I am speaking in Russian, when thinking of the correct word to respond with, I actually think back to when it was used in a particular movie.
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