Filtering out (semi)pros online
#1
Yo, is there a subtle way to filter out the pros on tinder (Thailand)?
I'm cool with a chick being down and wanting to come straight to my place (without me bringing it up), but when she wants to get paid when things go down I wouldn't fancy that. 

Had a girl from night game wanting money the other night, she actually said she's down for free, but then changed her mind and left.
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#2
I would never let a girl come straight away to my house. Too many unknowns. If she is seriously keen to come right over, I'll at least meet her downstairs for a drink to figure out what the fuck is going on. Remember, girls are not men--VERY few are just interested in the sexual part. There is usually a motive if they're DTF before meeting.

If I have any suspicion they're in it for cash or there's gonna be trouble in the post-game, I next em. After a few mistakes, I've learned to read the signals and haven't had problems in a while.  However, its bound to happen again.
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#3
(01-25-2018, 10:03 PM)k pop Wrote: I would never let a girl come straight away to my house. Too many unknowns. If she is seriously keen to come right over, I'll at least meet her downstairs for a drink to figure out what the fuck is going on. Remember, girls are not men--VERY few are just interested in the sexual part. There is usually a motive if they're DTF before meeting.

I think if you avoid girls who come straight to your place, you will avoid most of the pros.
Like Kpop, always spend time with the girl outside, before going to the room. A bar is always good for that. Talking to them as much as possible face to face as much as possible is also a good way to know what is going one with her
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#4
OP, where are you? Easiest way to filter out pros and semi-pros is to force an investment. So let's say she says she wants to fuck and will come over. Tell her to bring you some food or a drink, something small in price (it can even be some mints). Most hookers won't invest because the next guy won't be asking for anything just offering $$$.
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#5
Many guys on RVF and other sites talk about shoring Seeking Arrangement girls.   I find it hard to believe girls are so dumb.  My believe it's just guys attention whoring their fictional lives.  Has anyone  been on that site and tried it?
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#6
^ I haven't, but a guy I gamed with in Atlanta, Swuglyfe, did, so apparently it can work.

I don't recall how effective it was though.

Girls are full of surprises.
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#7
You can filter out pros and semi-pros by forcing an investment
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#9
(01-25-2018, 10:03 PM)k pop Wrote: Remember, girls are not men--VERY few are just interested in the sexual part. There is usually a motive if they're DTF before meeting.

Maybe if your SMV is below a 6 this statement above is true, I have girls come over straight to fuck all the time, from Mexico, Peru, Phillipines, Thailand, girls def wanna fuck, slootz are everywhere, and a lot of times they are tired an don't wanna deal with the drinks and bla bla just like you.

Just keep in mind these girls are hyper-sexual and probably fucked like 10 other alphas that week so wrap it up B.

I've actually noticed in Thailand that asking for money is a bit of a way of dissing you like saying you are not worth to fuck for free, for non-pro girls its a way of throwing shade.
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#10
(09-06-2019, 01:02 AM)LatinoHeat Wrote:
(01-25-2018, 10:03 PM)k pop Wrote: Remember, girls are not men--VERY few are just interested in the sexual part. There is usually a motive if they're DTF before meeting.

Maybe if your SMV is below a 6 this statement above is true, I have girls come over straight to fuck all the time, from Mexico, Peru, Phillipines, Thailand, girls def wanna fuck, slootz are everywhere, and a lot of times they are tired an don't wanna deal with the drinks and bla bla just like you.

Just keep in mind these girls are hyper-sexual and probably fucked like 10 other alphas that week so wrap it up B.

I've actually noticed in Thailand that asking for money is a bit of a way of dissing you like saying you are not worth to fuck for free, for non-pro girls its a way of throwing shade.

I'm in the USA and have had plenty of online girls come over fresh direct. Some even turn into mini-relationships/plates/fwbs situations.
The same goes for SA (not all are quite 'pros'), but most of those end up just being a ONS and I'm never able to get them out again.

You need great photos, solid text game and the ability to close once in person. Even if they come straight to mine on the first meet, it's not always a slam dunk. While some girls will make it super easy (tremendous IOIs, initiating touching, etc.)-- some will require finesse/diffusing LMR. There's even girls who won't fuck at all and just ghost after.
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(09-06-2019, 02:24 AM)p_1337 Wrote:
(09-06-2019, 01:02 AM)LatinoHeat Wrote:
(01-25-2018, 10:03 PM)k pop Wrote: Remember, girls are not men--VERY few are just interested in the sexual part. There is usually a motive if they're DTF before meeting.

Maybe if your SMV is below a 6 this statement above is true, I have girls come over straight to fuck all the time, from Mexico, Peru, Phillipines, Thailand, girls def wanna fuck, slootz are everywhere, and a lot of times they are tired an don't wanna deal with the drinks and bla bla just like you.

Just keep in mind these girls are hyper-sexual and probably fucked like 10 other alphas that week so wrap it up B.

I've actually noticed in Thailand that asking for money is a bit of a way of dissing you like saying you are not worth to fuck for free, for non-pro girls its a way of throwing shade.

I'm in the USA and have had plenty of online girls come over fresh direct. Some even turn into mini-relationships/plates/fwbs situations.
The same goes for SA (not all are quite 'pros'), but most of those end up just being a ONS and I'm never able to get them out again.

You need great photos, solid text game and the ability to close once in person. Even if they come straight to mine on the first meet, it's not always a slam dunk. While some girls will make it super easy (tremendous IOIs, initiating touching, etc.)-- some will require finesse/diffusing LMR. There's even girls who won't fuck at all and just ghost after.

Yeah so maybe in Thailand its a good way to screen, but its 50/50 chance you are blowing your chance for an easy non-paid laid. I been spending some time here in Medellin and begun to see some patterns in semi and full-pros here on tinder.

1. Showing lots of skin in ALL Their photos: Its normal for a girl to have one normal bikini shot, maybe 1 glamour shot showing off some midriff, but if a girl is basically in a bra or bathing suit top in ALL her photos, she is probably a pro.

2. Generally just photos or profiles that are too slutty. Like REALLY suggestive photos, perhaps the type that might even be reported on Instagram, these are red flags. On their profile they may allude to wanting easy casual sex. Fellas: If a girl writes in her profile shes into casual sex, there is only 2 options 100% of the time. Its actually a dude, or its a prostitute. Perhaps MAYBE its a very VERY hideous looking girl, but then you woudln't have even matched with her.

3. Very little written on their profile and/or their profile alludes to money: A lot of "escorts" erhm sorry hookers do not write directly they are hooekrs because that will get them reported and banned. Maybe they write "SB" (short for sugar baby) or some emoji face with money sticking out," emojis of money, emoji of money with wings etc. Or they may write something kind of implying they are looking for something extra like: "Looking for fun, but need something a little extra ;-)" etc etc

4. It seems too good to be true: Maybe your a well studded blonde Chad that regularly matches with 7's 8's wherever you are. Good for you. However ,if you've only been matching with girls that looks like 5s and maybe the odd 6 and suddenly this girl that looks like she could be on the star cover of suicidegirls magazine has matched with you and you immediately start wanking it. Hold on there Jimmy. Girls are ALWAYS, esp online, going to go for the absolute top dudes they possibly can. If you don't rank there, there isn't even ONE CHICK in that entire city who would settle. Be realistic. Know where you rank in a typical city and if the girl is an outlier something is probably wrong. If your not happy about where you rank on tinder, then you can daygame which ever bitch you like.

5. No connected social profiles: While some girls do connect their instagram, the vast majority don't because they don't want you to figure out who they actually are. Some might connect to a throwaway instagram used to just post more slutty photos. Also if she says her name is 

6. Fake names: Guys, her name isn't really "Love" or "Candy" or "Princess" LOL, even her slum bastard parents aren't that retarded to name their girl that. Some normal girls also use fake names to sleep around, but the hookers have a tendency to use obviously fake ones so your stupid ass can "get the hint" they are hookers/semi-pros whatever you wanna call it. 

7. Low resolution images that seem they are modeling photos that were pulled from somewhere else: In this case its always a good idea to take a screenshot some of the photos and run them through google images or tineye.com and see if any matches come up. While this typically doesn't yield results, when it does you are almost certain its not the actual person you are talking too as only celebs or very well known images show up there. I've gotten out of some cat-fishes this way. A lot of these accounts are run by pimps and the girl who might show up may not even be the girl in the photos.

8. Just looks like a whore: Prostitutes have a tendency to be covered in tattoos and piercings in much greater quantity then regular girls. This one is kind of a weak point since there are plenty of girls that have lots of tats/piercings etc, but its just one more data point.

What to do if you're not sure? Just ask her! If you ask a girl in a respectful way "Hey by the way you're not an escort or anything like that" (or replace "Escort" for "ladyboy" if thats your suspicion). She will most likely respond "of course not!" some may even get slightly upset but it rarely breaks the deal. Hookers will never respond "yes" but will always respond with something vague like "well whats wrong with a little money" or "we all pay in some way" or some bullshit like that, or they won't respond at all when previously they were responding. They will never response in the affirmative yes because that would force her to admit she is a hooker which 99% of these girls don't believe they are even though they suck dick for a living = 100% HOOKER When in doubt, just ask. In some rare cases, they may lie and you find out shes a ladyboy and/or hooker (and/or both LOL). In that case see the bottom point. However while this happens for ladyboys, it rarely happens for prostitutes, because they don't wanna waste their time coming to you when its already clear you wouldn't pay.

CAVEAT: Please do not be autistic and read everything as black and white, yes many girls (esp in poorer countries) that are non pros use only bathing suit shots because they literally have nothing else to show. Yes, some girls that go by "love" are just regular girls maybe with boyfriend trying to hide their identity. Maybe the girl doesn't have much written on her profile or not social because she doesn't have much to say. Each of these alone doesn't mean they are a hooker, but if you add all these things together it increases the odds significantly. If a girl is showing only 1 of these 7 characteristics above she may not be a hooker, but if she ticks off 5 or 6 of those boxes I just mentioned, she probably is.
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Getting revenge on whores that waste your time: Imagine the girl doesn't have any of the aspects listed above, you continue chit chatting for 2-3 days and everything seems normal. You've even whatsapp video called, and have the date set. 1 hour before the date right before she says she is on her way she throws it down on you that "by the way you know i'm an escort" or some bullshit varation. While there is nothing wrong with a girl selling her body, you are now angry for her wasting so much of your time.

Here is how to get revenge on her: They will almost certainly demand you call their Uber/Grab since every dollar they invest is another dollar taken out of their presumed paycheck for sucking your dick. Make sure they send you the location first. Tell them that Uber is not working on your phone and neither is the taxi app. Allude about how gorgeous she is and how you can't wait to meet her and happy to spend like 5X of what she is asking for. If she wants $30US tell her $100 is fine because you are really so successful and want to help pay for her sob story about how she "has kids" bla bla bla.  

Keep telling her the app isn't working, but promise her if she takes a taxi you will certainly pay her back, and really sorry about this but you been having trouble with the app for so long bla bla bla. Send her a location far far from you but in a place thats far from her and believable there are gringos/farangs hanging there. She will say she is taking a taxi but most likely she will try and take public transporation and then pocket the "taxi money" she is expecting from you.

After she spends 90 minutes getting off of some shit bus to your random location and she says she's hear, tell her what you did and block her (or simply block her). While this seem vindictive you are doing a service to humanity by punishing this poor behavior.

If she doesn't admit to it till you are already there, simply shut the door on her and tell her to fuck off (or give her what she wants and busts your nut, its your call but you are giving into very bad behavior)

Also if you see a suspected escort (or fatty saying "no sex") always hit the report button on tinder, we all thank you.


p.s. I'm not really into whores/semi-pros but keep in mind in many of these places once they are already there they may fuck you super cheap, maybe as cheap as $5-$10usd they are looking as a little bonus for fucking you, so if they are really hot, consider it.

p.p.s. "Semi-pro" is just a made up term by sex-pats to make it feel like we are not fucking whores when we actually are. Either a girl is a whore and trades sex for money, or she's not.
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#12
Nice post Latinoheat, your Colombia experience shows. What better place on earth to learn to filter semi pros than Medellin lol.
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#13
>>"Semi-pro" is just a made up term by sex-pats to make it feel like we are not fucking whores when we actually are. Either a girl is a whore and trades sex for money, or she's not

No. Semi-pro means girl does her whoring part-time. For example, a couple times a weeks she hangs out at whore bars hoping to get picked up, or she keeps a tinder or mamba account active and meets a client now and then to supplement income from her day job. Contrast with pro, who has no other source of income than whoring. Semi pros are preferred by many mongers because they are less stressed out and hence give better service. Partly this is because they can be selective about clients, partly because they typically only see clients a few days a week and so have built up enough sex hunger to be genuinely enthusiastic about the sex versus bored by the umpteenth dick they've seen that day. If you want to say things like "a whore is a whore is a whore, no difference between them", that's your prerogative, but you increase everyone's ignorance level by denying differences exist and then trying to remove a useful term ("semi-pro prostitute") from our vocabulary.

I admit that a lot of guys who pay for sex are in deep denial about what they are up to. The Sugar Daddy/Sugar Baby crowd in particular, often gets hysterical at the idea that Sugar Babies differ from regular semi pro prostitutes only in that they are: (a) typically more selective about clients; (b) prefer longer term relationships with clients; (c ) possibly offer monogamy. Maybe redirect some of your emotionality about terminology towards opening those guys/gals eyes to what they are really doing.

The easiest way to filter semi-pros is simply ask "do you expect to get paid for sex with me? I don't mean to insult you, but I want to be absolutely clear about this." A semi pro likely won't have the chutzpah to ask for money after answering no. Pros, in the other hand, are often shameless. To filter pros, just go slow. After getting a no answer to the question about money for sex, invite the girl for coffee, spend some time talking, act like you have all the time in the world. Pros typically freak out at the idea of spending lots of time and getting no money in exchange. After a couple hours together, THEN ask the girl back to your apartment.
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#14
Quote:The Sugar Daddy/Sugar Baby crowd in particular, often gets hysterical at the idea that Sugar Babies differ from regular semi pro prostitutes


You hit the nail on the head. Never mention to the sugar daddy that he is only trickin with the girls he meets on SA. Unless you enjoy watching a grown man throw a temper tantrum .
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(09-27-2019, 12:27 PM)shemp Wrote: >>"Semi-pro" is just a made up term by sex-pats to make it feel like we are not fucking whores when we actually are. Either a girl is a whore and trades sex for money, or she's not

If you want to say things like "a whore is a whore is a whore, no difference between them", that's your prerogative, but you increase everyone's ignorance level by denying differences exist and then trying to remove a useful term ("semi-pro prostitute") from our vocabulary.

I admit that a lot of guys who pay for sex are in deep denial about what they are up to. The Sugar Daddy/Sugar Baby crowd in particular, often gets hysterical at the idea that Sugar Babies differ from regular semi pro prostitutes only in that they are: (a) typically more selective about clients; (b) prefer longer term relationships with clients; (c ) possibly offer monogamy. Maybe redirect some of your emotionality about terminology towards opening those guys/gals eyes to what they are really doing.

Hey man, you're right there is a difference between a pro and semipro but I think you nailed the head at what I was trying to get at of so many dudes thinking that shoring these part-time hookers, or "sugar babies" (some of these girls even call themselves "touristic guides" now LMAO) is the same thing as banging regular chicks, just because they didn't pay or paid indirectly. It's not.

A girl who fucks a dude for money even if its just a few times a month, in my opinion, is way closer in mentality to a regular pro, then a normal chick in terms of the spectrum, thats I guess what I was trying to get at, since even in Colombia and Thailand 95% of girls are not pros or semi-pros (even if online and at certain nightclubs it may feel a lot higher, in the hotspots)

I don't have anything against hookers and mongers, my friends always think i'm on a high horse, I'm really not, esp since i've banged quite a few myself. But honestly the main thing for me is part of good sex is knowing that the girl actually wants to fuck me, and when a girl asks for money my dick just literally gets soft. Plus I get really annoyed when girls act like totally regular chicks and ask for money JUST before sex or something even after, its like WTF, you just wasted my entire night, this is not acceptable behavior.
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