[FR] A Dead Bat in Bogota
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From 02/12/21 – 02/22/21 I ventured off to Bogota, Colombia in my first ever world game trip to become an international player and to follow the steps of Roosh V.

It was a mixed bag.

Lots of adventure, lots of learning lessons, but no Colombian flag.

I’m not disappointed – but I value the lessons I learned along the way.

Most importantly, the differences between American style game and Colombian game.

Value based game doesn’t work nearly as strong as it does in the States. I’ve tried push-pulls, being mysterious, etc. No dice. Colombianas get confused, even slightly offended since you’re not direct with your intentions. Not verbally direct (at least during night game), mind you, but through your body language and how you say things. She knows you want her and you don’t play any games to do so.

It took me 7 out of the 9 days in Colombia to realize I should run much more comfort game to get laid in Bogota.

Namely – comfort + strong, emotional energy in whatever I say.

It’s not what I say in Colombia, but how I say it.

JP was right: If you want to become successful in Colombia, your game will have to get worse before it gets better.

This report will serve as the Bogota Anthology and will consist of three field reports detailing my adventures in Colombia and with Colombian women.

Before that, however, I will give a few pieces of advice for any aspiring high beginner - low intermediate PUA looking to hook up with Colombian women:
  • Comfort, comfort, comfort: As an American citizen (I’m assuming), your value is already sky high. I cannot stress this enough – especially if you’re a white male (race doesn’t matter, but you DO get a slight leg up if you’re white). You don’t need to put much effort. Focus on normal conversation, getting to know the girl, and emotionally spiking the interaction by speaking passionately.

    Don’t overdo the push-pulls, qualifiers, or any value based game concepts.

  • Having fun: As a pickup artist, I’m almost always in “terminator mode” during day game. I felt like if I just focused on having fun instead of strategically gaming these girls, I’d have better results.

  • Learn Spanish – even a little bit: I had a massive disadvantage due to the fact I spoke no conversational Spanish. Emotional connection is the name of the game in Colombia and I wasn’t able to accomplish that due to the language barrier.
My only regret is it took me 7 days to realize this.

Overall, I did 76 approaches over the span of 9 days in Colombia. A few are worth logging in this report.

02/12/21 – The SIM Card Retail Girl

Synopsis: When I first landed in Bogota, I went over to the SIM Card store to connect my international phone. I met this cute Colombiana, mid-late 20s, and highly receptive. No joke, she gave me fuck-me eyes when I was buying my card.

I could feel sexual tension build up between us when I was buying my SIM card lol

At the end, I capitalized on my opportunity by asking when she got off work. When she told me it was until 6am, I had to dip and settled for the phone number instead.

She spoke a little English, but since she was already into me, we texted back and forth often.

Sticking Points: N/A. I felt I did as much as I possibly could. Logistics and her work schedule kinda fucked the set.

What I Did Right:

– Capitalized On Opportunities: I knew the SIM Card girl’s attraction for me was sky high. I didn’t go the amateur route and settle for a number. I pushed the set as far as I could by finding out her schedule + trying to pull her to a bar/club early if logistics/time was on my side.


What I Should Do Next Time: N/A. I did the best I could in that situation.

Comments: N/A.

02/13/21 – The Thieves

Synopsis: After trying my hand at day game in Colombia, I discovered any set I did – despite the language barrier – resulted in a solid phone number. It didn’t matter if the set went terribly, the girl still responded. I felt pretty fuckin’ good about that. A far cry from the United States where girls flaked all the time.

So I decided to try my hand at night game next.

At first, the night went so-so.

I met a few Colombianas, but a majority of them didn’t speak English. I ran into this one crew of English speakers, but I was still running value based game – which consequently confused them.

At the end of the night, I met three hot Colombianas who spoke no English. I ran that sweet Google Translate game which seemed to work lol

They didn’t have anything planned after I asked what they were doing, so I called an Uber and off we went to my airbnb.

I had a bottle of Aguardente (Colombian hard liquor) at my apartment but no beer. Unfortunately, the girls didn’t like it, but they made do. We danced, played raggaeton on my laptop, before they started feeding me shots of Aguardente.

Man, I felt like a pimp bringing home three Colombianas. I should have noted the red flags as my drink had a slightly funny taste to it – and the fact I started feeling sleepy.

It wasn’t long until I blacked out on the bed and I woke up early next morning – sans laptop, cell phone, and peculiarly enough, my recorder I use for day game.

Fuck, I got robbed. Looking back, I didn’t think much of it. My debit card, pesos, and most of my other belongings weren’t stolen. After checking out my bank transactions, no money was lost.

Worst yet, I lost the SIM Card girl’s number and a few other leads I was pursing during my day game sessions
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Sticking Points:

– No dar Papaya: “Don’t give papaya”. It’s a Colombian saying to not give opportunities for bad shit to happen to you. I gave alot of papaya that night. Lots of red flags, but I ignored them since I was desperate to collect my Colombian flag.


What I Did Right:

– Putting Myself In New Situations: In the United States, I was exclusively a day gamer. While practicing night game, especially in Colombia, I was given the opportunity to learn and think on my toes how to escalate, how to handle groups, and move my way through the social hierarchy with no Spanish.


What I’ll Do Next Time:

– Be Cautious: Of course, there’s a fine balance between being paranoid and being cautious, but mentally note any red flags I spot from girls.


Comments: Give no papaya, especially in blatantly obvious situations.

02/16/21 – The Cali Dancer

Synopsis: This is where the real lessons begin.

I read Gringo Tuesdays at Vintrash is where the party is, especially for Colombianas looking to practice their English.
It’s true, but you have to contend with other gringos looking to compete for the small pool of women who hit up the club.

Needless to say, after chatting up a few people early in the night, I ran into this cute Colombiana from Cali. She was a hard HB 6, an aspiring actress, and a dancer with a feisty personality.

She spoke nearly perfect English and given her personality, I figured running my ‘ol American value game would work.

At least, I thought it would.

I spiked her emotions, her BT was running high, and I thought I had this set in the bag.

But all of a sudden, this Leon the Professional lookin’ Argentinian stepped in. He looked harmless, rather introverted so I payed him no mind. He wasn’t a threat. Boy, was I wrong.

He was patient, bidding his time while I verbally fought off AMOGs by stepping into their conversation with the Cali dancer and taking the frame.

The fucker snuck right up under me.

Next thing I know, he’s talking normally with my target. Nothing special from the surface. So I decide to hit the bathroom. I figured she’d ignore him since he seemed so boring and mundane.

I come back – and she’s got her arm wrapped around him!

I was seriously confused.

I mean, who was this guy? I ran picture perfect American game on her, and he’s nuzzling up to this old, balding Leon the Professional lookin’ dude.

They switched from English, and then to Spanish, and then it hit me.

It’s the fact he’s able to relate to her in their mother language. Comfort truly is the name of the game in Colombia. While I may have spiked her BT, what really matters is emotionally connecting with a Colombiana. None of this “clown game” ran in the States.

This was the beginning of my realization that American style game just wouldn’t work in Colombia.

It was surface level, but once I saw the Argentinian pull this girl into an Uber, it really hit me.

I put in all this effort, and some low-energy guy whisks my target away like nothing? My game was lacking and I was beginning to figure that out.

Sticking Points:

– High-energy, American style game: This is when I began to realize running Western style game just wouldn’t work. Yes, I fucked up by running value game, but I knew I was doing something wrong…


What I Did Right:

– Realizing the Type of Game Required: … Which leads into the next point of running a comfort based game. Getting to know the girl, being fun, not an entertainer, but rather a guy who is into her.


What I’ll Do Next Time:

– When In Doubt…: … run comfort game, especially in “easy” countries like Colombia, Poland, Ukraine, etc. If comfort game doesn’t work, switch to American style game.


Comments: God damn Argentinians.

02/20/21 – The Biologist & Fucking Up A Perfect Opportunity with LSD

Synopsis: On my last night in Bogota, I didn’t care about getting laid, but rather just focusing on having fun. My day game sessions started getting good once I realized I should run comfort game + leading, but it was a bit too late to capitalize on my numbers.

At the beginning of the night, I ran into this dude from Luxembourg, his girlfriend, and his roomie.

I focused on idle chit-chat before naturally affixing my attention to his roomie – a Colombiana who spoke very little English, but enough to get by.

She was sweet, initially neutral before I slowly began turning her receptive by “mi practicar Espanol y tu practicar Ingles.”

I had fun giving her compliments and holding fun, random conversations with her, which increased her comfort level.

After I asked her, “tu bailar?”, we went to the dance floor and partied hard; especially since Meeting House was playing techno music that night.

After a while the Luxembourgian pulled me in and whispered, “Do you like her?” To which I looked him in the eye and said, “Yes.”

Like, serious expression, I don’t give a fuck “yes”.

He laughed and said, “Good bro. She’s into you, too. Keep going.”

Thankfully, I learned my lesson with the Paisa a few nights before to not rush the set, so I played it cool the whole night.

Her attraction just kept going up up up!

Once midnight hit, we walked out of Meeting House to hit up an after party, before the Luxembourgian guy stopped us and offered me acid.

Shit, my big brain started formulating plans to escalate and dreamed up the following:

Imagine- we’re in bed together, tripping our asses off. I begin sweet talking her slowly, as we begin moving together. Our hands touch. Then I kiss her. Before sweet, acid-inducing sex.

… But what I didn’t realize is my target was used to tripping out on acid and ingesting lots of drugs.

Meanwhile, I haven’t taken hard drugs in years.

Whoops.

As you can imagine, she handled LSD very well. I got super, super high. Even when I was tripping balls, my mind fixated on game – and consequently, how I was losing my target due to acid.

Aaaaand I had a bad trip. A really bad trip.

I huddled up outside by myself, paranoid, trying to desperately figure out how to handle the set given my current mental state.

No bueno.

At the end of the night, we all went back to their apartment, before my target got tired and fell asleep.
I called an Uber back to my airbnb and that was that.

Sticking Points:

– Don’t Do Drugs, Kids: Everything was going so well. I figured popping acid wouldn’t hurt and shit, ease escalation by making us both susceptible to our primal urges. Didn’t happen. Just game sober like I usually do.


What I Did Right:

– Good Comfort Game: I spent hours working on my target. She began rubbing my back, devoting attention to me, and when I went for a cigarette, she asked if I’d return. Good IOIs and all I had to do was keep acting normal.


What I’ll Do Next Time:

– Don’t Do Drugs, Obvs: Title says all lol


Comments: N/A
The man who thinks he can and the man who thinks he can't are both right.” - Confucius

“Flirting is not just something you say or do. It is something you embody.“ - Todd V

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Haha, fun read. Colombia can be tricky, I never did well there while having no problems anywhere else in LatAm.
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(02-23-2021, 10:22 PM)markB Wrote: Haha, fun read. Colombia can be tricky, I never did well there while having no problems anywhere else in LatAm.

Remember, Colombia is the Thailand of the west (for most of the country) and as such, the people and the girls know exactly why a single man is there in the first place. A Gringo is a walking ATM or a ticket out of their low value lives. This is exactly why OP got robbed(on top of the lockdown depression economy). To succeed EASILY in Colombia without paying, you must meet the requirements of a high value, sexually desirable man that her friends and society deems so. This is crucial. That is usually a handsome, fit, white male(under or around 40 in age), preferably blonde and blue eyes. Black men can do well too, as long as he is in very good shape. The second way to succeed is to show high value through your apartment you're renting, the area, the clothes you wear and the transportation you choose, etc. Of course some good conversational Spanish is a must. 

Overall Colombia is a good place as long as you know/learn that it isn't the USA, in regards to game and one must be high value as described. No amount of bullshit game though comfort or words are going to change this. 

Full disclosure-My brother is married to a Colombiana and I've been going to Colombia off and on for over 15 years. I know the culture very well.
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Thanks for the honest and entertaining data sheet, +1 from me. Man that sucks you got robbed but it's not uncommon, it's happened to me and several of my friends, inviting groups of strangers back to your place is something that I don't recommend people do at all in Colombia, especially not first timers. Did you stay in Bogota the entire time? You should've taken a 3-4 day trip to the Cartagena coast, Medellin, Cali or a random smaller city like Bucaramanga or Barranquilla. Hopefully the trip encouraged you to study Spanish, I can conform that there's a strong correlation with your Spanish skills and not only the women you'll date but the overall experience you'll have with the people, Colombians are pretty cool. If you focus on improving your Spanish and maybe practice some salsa, come back down for a longer stay of a few weeks or couple of months, take some classes here and try some different cities, I'm sure you'll be fine, hitting on Colombian women during the day is a lot of fun.
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(02-23-2021, 10:58 PM)akms76 Wrote:
(02-23-2021, 10:22 PM)markB Wrote: Haha, fun read. Colombia can be tricky, I never did well there while having no problems anywhere else in LatAm.

Remember, Colombia is the Thailand of the west (for most of the country) and as such, the people and the girls know exactly why a single man is there in the first place. A Gringo is a walking ATM or a ticket out of their low value lives. This is exactly why OP got robbed(on top of the lockdown depression economy). To succeed EASILY in Colombia without paying, you must meet the requirements of a high value, sexually desirable man that her friends and society deems so. This is crucial. That is usually a handsome, fit, white male(under or around 40 in age), preferably blonde and blue eyes. Black men can do well too, as long as he is in very good shape. The second way to succeed is to show high value through your apartment you're renting, the area, the clothes you wear and the transportation you choose, etc. Of course some good conversational Spanish is a must. 

Overall Colombia is a good place as long as you know/learn that it isn't the USA, in regards to game and one must be high value as described. No amount of bullshit game though comfort or words are going to change this. 

Full disclosure-My brother is married to a Colombiana and I've been going to Colombia off and on for over 15 years. I know the culture very well.

I agree to an extent but a guy can come to Colombia, date and fuck around or even get into a serious relationship and be kinda average although it's not a great place for introverts. Staying in decent apartments/hotels and taking Uber/taxi over buses, speaking some Spanish and not dressing like a total dweeb or red neck will definitely score you points, personal grooming is also a way bigger deal here.
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(02-23-2021, 10:58 PM)akms76 Wrote: To succeed EASILY in Colombia without paying, you must meet the requirements of a high value, sexually desirable man that her friends and society deems so. This is crucial.

Overall Colombia is a good place as long as you know/learn that it isn't the USA, in regards to game and one must be high value as described. No amount of bullshit game though comfort or words are going to change this. 

This is true for ANYWHERE in the world nowadays. Especially if you want success with the higher quality tier of women. The market is just too efficient nowadays.
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(02-23-2021, 11:40 PM)Scotian Wrote: Did you stay in Bogota the entire time? You should've taken a 3-4 day trip to the Cartagena coast, Medellin, Cali or a random smaller city like Bucaramanga or Barranquilla. Hopefully the trip encouraged you to study Spanish, I can conform that there's a strong correlation with your Spanish skills and not only the women you'll date but the overall experience you'll have with the people, Colombians are pretty cool. If you focus on improving your Spanish and maybe practice some salsa, come back down for a longer stay of a few weeks or couple of months, take some classes here and try some different cities, I'm sure you'll be fine, hitting on Colombian women during the day is a lot of fun.

No, I have a buddy in Cali who kept trying to make me visit him, but I already spent muchos deneros on the airbnb and plane ticket. While I'm interested in learning Spanish, I'm afraid my primary destination(s) are in Eastern Europe. After this Bogota trip, I plan to hit up the Phils to rack up notches for two weeks, before visiting Poland or Lithuania. If EE is anything like Colombia, I'm prepared to run that comfort based game.
The man who thinks he can and the man who thinks he can't are both right.” - Confucius

“Flirting is not just something you say or do. It is something you embody.“ - Todd V

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(02-24-2021, 12:31 AM)Laidback Luke Wrote:
(02-23-2021, 10:58 PM)akms76 Wrote: To succeed EASILY in Colombia without paying, you must meet the requirements of a high value, sexually desirable man that her friends and society deems so. This is crucial.

Overall Colombia is a good place as long as you know/learn that it isn't the USA, in regards to game and one must be high value as described. No amount of bullshit game though comfort or words are going to change this. 

This is true for ANYWHERE in the world nowadays. Especially if you want success with the higher quality tier of women. The market is just too efficient nowadays.

100% agree. The Sexual market is global, so it's a must for top tier girls. However in SEA, the bar is still quite low, as most of those girls are only looking for a ticket out. Not to say Colombian girls aren't, it's just of a lesser quantity. The girls of SEA, just want a warm body, with the possibility of a one way ticket out.
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#9
Project Bogota?
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(02-24-2021, 01:31 AM)akms76 Wrote:
(02-24-2021, 12:31 AM)Laidback Luke Wrote:
(02-23-2021, 10:58 PM)akms76 Wrote: To succeed EASILY in Colombia without paying, you must meet the requirements of a high value, sexually desirable man that her friends and society deems so. This is crucial.

Overall Colombia is a good place as long as you know/learn that it isn't the USA, in regards to game and one must be high value as described. No amount of bullshit game though comfort or words are going to change this. 

This is true for ANYWHERE in the world nowadays. Especially if you want success with the higher quality tier of women. The market is just too efficient nowadays.

100% agree. The Sexual market is global, so it's a must for top tier girls. However in SEA, the bar is still quite low, as most of those girls are only looking for a ticket out. Not to say Colombian girls aren't, it's just of a lesser quantity. The girls of SEA, just want a warm body, with the possibility of a one way ticket out.

SEA is also included in my statement too. Sure, maybe the poor peasant chicks but they are never the top tier girls. Thailand for example, that top 1% of the TRUELY attractive women...who tend to be from the higher echelon of society, you better be high value to have a chance. They sure as hell aren't looking for a ticket out either.
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So you are a high value American "pickup artist" that spent 9 days in Colombia including 76 "approaches" but you still didn't get laid?
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(02-24-2021, 02:05 AM)SC87 Wrote: So you are a high value American "pickup artist" that spent 9 days in Colombia including 76 "approaches" but you still didn't get laid?

Only with your mom SC87 Wink
The man who thinks he can and the man who thinks he can't are both right.” - Confucius

“Flirting is not just something you say or do. It is something you embody.“ - Todd V

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#13
Sounds like you did lots of really dumb things and also had a huge amount of bad luck. As long as you realize you fucked up I'm sure you could have done ok if you stuck around. Colombian girls do not require any kind of game other than holding frame and just being normal around them. When you overthink things it makes you the exact opposite of normal in their eyes and will actually hurt your chances. Hopefully some other guys read this and remember to watch your drink at all times.
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#14
Going to need to hear that lifetime lay count, OP.
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Hegemon, you need to re-evaluate your vibe if you couldn’t get laid in Bogotá with 76 approaches as a “pickup artist”. Now you’re saying you want to go to Poland and believe me your results will only repeat themselves, EE is much harder than Colombia no matter how you look like, Colombia is a super sexual culture, even if you don’t speak Spanish you should be getting laid. I like your honest report though so respect for that. And yeah stay away from acid with girls unless you have a great connection, experience with it and are alone. I’m pretty sure I heard your daygame recordings before and you have super American style game so I’m glad you identified that doesn’t work. It must have been a good experience though which taught you a lot about cultures
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Some solid observations there. Definitely better to just chill and get in the vibe with Colombianas. I've noticed the respond best when you are extroverted, have an upbeat energy, show interest in them, are nice and relaxed, and enjoy the moment with them. Also, being interested in their culture(they are very proud of their country) and enjoying dancing helps. 

Also, online game works really well in Colombia- that would have been good to do alongside your day approaches.
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Props for the honest report.....I guess? Most of your bad luck could have been avoided by reading the Colombia Thread or trip report. It's been well documented that US "push/pull" game doesn't work in LatAm, if a situation is too good true (3 girls) it's best to bail, and Spanish is a must among other things. Getting laid in Colombia doesn't take much effort, other than having the patience for flaking.

I'm introverted (sus about others), extroverted with alcohol, yet got laid consistently.
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(02-24-2021, 02:05 AM)SC87 Wrote: So you are a high value American "pickup artist" that spent 9 days in Colombia including 76 "approaches" but you still didn't get laid?

What's with the flak?

If this isn't flak, then I'm not sure what this is, since he already admitted to his mistakes and said he didn't get laid.

How high value is he telling us he is if he's admitting these things?

I'd rather have guys be humble like this than pretend to be players just to avoid flak.
If you haven't met anyone, I'll assume you're lying (h/t to Teedub from the old forum)
My response to the old "why you losers trash the West?"
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(02-24-2021, 10:38 AM)AirWaves Wrote: I'd rather have guys be humble like this than pretend to be players just to avoid flak.


Agreed. He posted detailed info that was interesting to read.
Much better than a report saying "I banged two dozen 10s in my 3 day trip. If you can't bang at least 3 model looking girls per day your are lame"

(02-24-2021, 10:38 AM)Mikestar Wrote: Hegemon, you need to re-evaluate your vibe if you couldn’t get laid in Bogotá with 76 approaches as a “pickup artist”. Now you’re saying you want to go to Poland and believe me your results will only repeat themselves, EE is much harder than Colombia no matter how you look like, .....It must have been a good experience though which taught you a lot about cultures


Agreed. OP, take a longer trip if you can next time and try to adapt more to the culture- learn the language, what style of game works, make some local friends and see their vibe, etc.
Also, take a trip further east than Poland. Ukraine, Moldova, Russia, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan...
Central Asia is especially good if you're into that type. I met quite a few girls from those countries- very sweet and down to earth.
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(02-24-2021, 06:51 AM)Mikestar Wrote: Hegemon, you need to re-evaluate your vibe if you couldn’t get laid in Bogotá with 76 approaches as a “pickup artist”. Now you’re saying you want to go to Poland and believe me your results will only repeat themselves, EE is much harder than Colombia no matter how you look like, Colombia is a super sexual culture, even if you don’t speak Spanish you should be getting laid. I like your honest report though so respect for that. And yeah stay away from acid with girls unless you have a great connection, experience with it and are alone. I’m pretty sure I heard your daygame recordings before and you have super American style game so I’m glad you identified that doesn’t work. It must have been a good experience though which taught you a lot about cultures

I'm aware.

Those 76 approaches mostly ended with, "No entiendo," since the girls didn't speak English. The ones that did speak English usually netted me a solid phone number, but flakes when I planned out dates. If I tried my hand at online game, I'm curious if I would have gotten laid, but nevertheless, my comfort game is seriously lacking. In the States, all they teach you is value based game. It's shoved down your throat since American girls don't like normal, boring guys.

When people say it's "harder" in Poland, I'm curious what that means.

It's harder in the United States, but I'm able to hook + date girls virtually every time I hit up Chicago.

At the end, I think the biggest challenge to not getting laid in Colombia is the language barrier. As someone who exclusively focuses on day game in the States, I'd approach any cute girl I'd see on the streets and work my way from there. 

In Colombia, that didn't happen since my day game sets lasted a minute at most.

Now, I'm certain my night game would have improved exponentially once I started shifting my mindset from value -> comfort, but I'd have to stay another week to net the benefits of that.

(02-24-2021, 11:40 AM)Blake2 Wrote: Agreed. OP, take a longer trip if you can next time and try to adapt more to the culture- learn the language, what style of game works, make some local friends and see their vibe, etc.
Also, take a trip further east than Poland. Ukraine, Moldova, Russia, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan...
Central Asia is especially good if you're into that type. I met quite a few girls from those countries- very sweet and down to earth.

Yes, I was torn between Poland, Lithuania, or Finland. Mostly due to my interest in blondes, but if I meet sweet and down-to-earth girls, my game tends to sky rocket. Granted, it's still American style game, and I'm certain it'll take time to adjust - but running comfort game seems far easier to learn vs value.

After my trips, I due plan to save 30k-50k USD so I can live abroad and become a digital nomad, so it'll be fun visiting those countries for a few months.

(02-24-2021, 07:28 AM)Red_Pill_Brotherhood Wrote:  I've noticed the respond best when you are extroverted, have an upbeat energy, show interest in them, are nice and relaxed, and enjoy the moment with them.

That describes the Colombianas I met to a T.

They're not as high-energy or upbeat as Mexicans, but they're up there.
The man who thinks he can and the man who thinks he can't are both right.” - Confucius

“Flirting is not just something you say or do. It is something you embody.“ - Todd V

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