Having a wing is underrated...
#61
Scotian, I don't think any of us are mad at him for doing p4p, it's the fact that he constantly lies, posts bad information and when confronted about it he doubles down (even when he is 100% wrong) and calls everyone out, he just pollutes the forum constantly derailing threads, the guy has been arguing with people in 3 forums that we know of, even pussy sniffer called him out on his bs in the happier abroad forum lmao.

Basically, he is a guy who pretends to be an expert on a subject and posts bad information about it just to inflate his own ego. We all could see it was bs from a mile away and now things make a bit more sense. I actually feel a bit bad for him now and will not comment any further on the subject.
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#62
(02-11-2021, 06:24 AM)Shifty Wrote: Scotian, I don't think any of us are mad at him for doing p4p, it's the fact that he constantly lies, posts bad information and when confronted about it he doubles down (even when he is 100% wrong) and calls everyone out, he just pollutes the forum constantly derailing threads, the guy has been arguing with people in 3 forums that we know of, even pussy sniffer called him out on his bs in the happier abroad forum lmao.

Basically, he is a guy who pretends to be an expert on a subject and posts bad information about it just to inflate his own ego. We all could see it was bs from a mile away and now things make a bit more sense. I actually feel a bit bad for him now and will not comment any further on the subject.

Bro Pussysniffer is my friend too, what do you have against him? 

Why do you guys hate on all these weirdos so much? If they cross the line, we ban them but unless they personally insult then we'll just make fun of them.

PS, mon gar on peut tchatter en ligne, ecrit moi mon pote tu me manques, bisous!!!!
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#63
@Scotian - On CMQ, yeah, one of the few forum members (think it was RedBeard) who met me in Gdańsk, told me he took CMQ's in person "course" (think it was in Vegas). The forum member told me CMQ just had him pay for all his club entrances and drinks, and IIRC, learned almost nothing (save for watch out for scammers like CMQ). The forum member even showed me video he shot of CMQ drunk off his ass when he was supposed to be teaching.
If you haven't met anyone, I'll assume you're lying (h/t to Teedub from the old forum)
My response to the old "why you losers trash the West?"
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#64
Agree with Scotian. I would rather hear about CE's perspective than not. We can all use our own BS detectors and make our own judgements on what to filter out, and I am not going to take internet forums seriously enough to be offended by pompousness etc. The more viewpoints, the better.

Even CE's initial post here... is a fair point, when not applied in a binary sense. I.e. needing a wing as a crutch is bad.

The problem is that there is too much binary think. I constantly see it here (and forums like RVF). In reality you can solo game or game with a wing and both are great. OP makes some great points too. Constant solo game and pursuing girls is a bad path to go down. I'd rather game was an organic thing that came with going out and having fun.

"if a guy talks too much about girls and not everyday normal stuff, then that's a red flag for me, unfortunately they're becoming more common these days." - completely agree, have met some, and they always seem deeply unhappy on the inside.
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#65
CE does not want to socialise with guys. But he pays girls money to socialise with him (not to fuck him).

So CE is paying girls to gratify his own ego i.e. to impress other males, who he can't/won't meet in person.

We can only conclude that CE won't meet people he cannot financially control.

So for CE, money provides the "frame" he detests so much in PUA.

This behaviour can only be the result of profound loneliness and insecurity.

For the record I like CE's investing advice and don't think he deserves to be banned.
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#66
Yah, I DGAF unless someone is personally insulting others or trolling.

Otherwise let them post. Everyone has their own opinion or info to add, sometimes good and sometimes bad.
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#67
I've done both types, wing and without one. Wing always wins. I can speak better subjects with my guy friends, including they tend to be far more sociable and fun to be with. Chicks are always a bonus. A good bonus, I won't lie.
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#68
If there are any wings in NOLA, hmu. I'm brand new but I would appreciate some help
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#69
(02-13-2021, 11:41 PM)Manbeline Wrote: I've done both types, wing and without one. Wing always wins. I can speak better subjects with my guy friends, including they tend to be far more sociable and fun to be with. Chicks are always a bonus. A good bonus, I won't lie.

I too have done both types, wing and solo.  Solo always wins for me and it is not even close.  While you are speaking "better subjects" with your guy friends, I am enjoying getting contact information from the two or three most gorgeous girls in the place.

When I go out at night, I am primed to identify the few girls I find attractive enough to approach.  Once identified, I make my rounds of approaching each them when the opportunity arises.   If it is a bad night and I am not getting any traction, I simply move on to a different venue. 

If I am standing around in the typical circle-jerk of dudes busting balls and comparing stories of who's been more drunk, I am not paying attention to the real task at hand which is making more connections girls to add to my bevy in the city I am visiting.

I will grant you this; there was a time when I thought having a wingman was an asset to getting girls. Through trial and error, I learned that it was counterproductive to have other guys around while I socialize. They took my attention away from girls, they were sometimes envious of my successes, and the male competitive impulse sometimes kicked in when I was making inroads.

It never fails that when I am out alone overseas speaking with facility to a beautiful girl in her language, some Western guy notices and wants to be my sidekick. He is looking out for himself, not for my interests so I politely let them know that I'm more than good flying solo.

For some reason this wingman stuff just won't die, but guys just have to figure out what works for them best individually.

If you want to go out, but you have to set things up first with your wingman, you've lost half the battle before you've even started. Flying solo means going out when you want and how you want on your own terms and not needing an emotional support buddy to lesson your personal insecurities around gorgeous women.

If you're self conscious about being in a club alone, work on your self confidence until you are not.
If you're self conscious about approaching a girl who is with her friends, learn how to approach when she goes the the restroom or isolates herself.
If you're too self conscious about appearing creepy, perhaps you actually are creepy and you need to work on yourself and polish your appearance.
If you need to drink alcohol as a social lubricant at night, you need to work on yourself. I only drink water, the healthiest thing a person can drink, unlike alcohol which is the worst.

I actually smile when a girl rejects me, and I love to see them glance over when I am speaking with another girl.

It is all about being socially self-reliant or dependent on social support to get you through. But I agree that extroverts will have a difficult time relating to any of this.
Have you ever noticed it is your haters who obsessively read your every post, comment on them with the most emotion, and expend so much energy desperately trying to engage you?  It's because haters are your greatest, most loyal, and dedicated fans; they just have not come to terms with it yet.  Enjoy them because they are the surest sign that you're slaying it in life!  Big Grin
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#70
(02-17-2021, 04:11 AM)Contrarian Expatriate Wrote: If I am standing around in the typical circle-jerk of dudes busting balls and comparing stories of who's been more drunk, I am not paying attention to the real task at hand which is making more connections girls to add to my bevy in the city I am visiting.

That's called a night out with the boys. That's different than having a wing.

Clearly your knowledge of game is at a low enough level that you shouldn't be giving any game advice. That probably is best left those with actual experience sleeping with women.

Being wrong every single time isn't "being contrarian."
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#71
(02-17-2021, 04:26 AM)Suits Wrote:
(02-17-2021, 04:11 AM)Contrarian Expatriate Wrote: If I am standing around in the typical circle-jerk of dudes busting balls and comparing stories of who's been more drunk, I am not paying attention to the real task at hand which is making more connections girls to add to my bevy in the city I am visiting.

That's called a night out with the boys. That's different than having a wing.

Clearly your knowledge of game is at a low enough level that you shouldn't be giving any game advice. That probably is best left those with actual experience sleeping with women.

Being wrong every single time isn't "being contrarian."

Hey can you put out your cigarette I'm allergic to smoke...wait...what's that? That's Contrarian Expatriates ashes? Damn, you burnt'em to a crisp have some mercy.
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#72
I think there's no need to argue. Contrarian makes better results without a wing and bunch of fellas here enjoy other guys' company while being out. It's more fun being out with wings but it's also annoying if the wings aren't in the same wave length and want rather your company and not trying their own game (there are also nights when I don't focus on game, and as someone here wrote it's good at least to start night by talking about something else than women). I roll solo mostly just because I travel solo. Finding a good wing is hard if you aren't already friends with similar goals with someone.
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#73
(02-17-2021, 05:38 AM)battalion Wrote: I think there's no need to argue. Contrarian makes better results without a wing and bunch of fellas here enjoy other guys' company while being out. It's more fun being out with wings but it's also annoying if the wings aren't in the same wave length and want rather your company and not trying their own game (there are also nights when I don't focus on game, and as someone here wrote it's good at least to start night by talking about something else than women). I roll solo mostly just because I travel solo. Finding a good wing is hard if you aren't already friends with similar goals with someone.

This isn't an argument.

It's perfectly fine to have a reasonable discussion about the merits of running solo or with wings. You've made some perfectly legitimate points in your post that add to the conversation. Nothing wrong with that.

The reason why Contrarian Expatriate is experiencing very justified criticism is because he insists on weighing in on discussions where he has zero experience and his posts are basically all just a series of completely made-up lies. For example, just below is an example of him insulting other guys for having a "lack of confidence." However, we've found forum posts of Contrarian Expatriate admitting to being an asexual who doesn't sleep with even women, but pays women for companionship.

Imagine having to pay money just to be friendzoned.

(02-08-2021, 06:05 AM)Contrarian Expatriate Wrote: Anyone who can't get out there without a wing simply lacks confidence.  I personally never understood some guys' need for a wing because I did far better without one!

He isn't even qualified to be part of a discussion on game, let alone insult others for their alleged lack of game/confidence.
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#74
(02-17-2021, 05:38 AM)battalion Wrote: I think there's no need to argue. Contrarian makes better results without a wing and bunch of fellas here enjoy other guys' company while being out. It's more fun being out with wings but it's also annoying if the wings aren't in the same wave length and want rather your company and not trying their own game (there are also nights when I don't focus on game, and as someone here wrote it's good at least to start night by talking about something else than women). I roll solo mostly just because I travel solo. Finding a good wing is hard if you aren't already friends with similar goals with someone.
Well said.  It is just a shame that some guys have taken on certain principles of 1990s-era game as their personal religion.   There is no use trying to convince them otherwise when only the logical and reasonable can be reached.  I'm quite ok with that actually.
Have you ever noticed it is your haters who obsessively read your every post, comment on them with the most emotion, and expend so much energy desperately trying to engage you?  It's because haters are your greatest, most loyal, and dedicated fans; they just have not come to terms with it yet.  Enjoy them because they are the surest sign that you're slaying it in life!  Big Grin
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#75
(02-17-2021, 12:07 PM)Contrarian Expatriate Wrote: There is no use trying to convince them otherwise when only the logical and reasonable can be reached.

The logical and reasonable would never take game advice from someone with no actual game experience.
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#76
I think exactly the opposite. A wing for me is overrated. 

Not that I dont like to go out with other guys. Is much more fun and your social proof is much more higher than you being alone. But... The perfect wing for me is the guy who goes in the backseat and is neutral. I will eventually will get girls for us.
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#77
I will say that reaching social balance or harmony with wings can be tricky. Most guys just don't have game. That's why it's often easier practically to go out alone. Whenever I brought out normies they would try to roast me to gain points with girls – after I opened the set for them! You could train them, but who has time for that.

But I've also had great fun with game-aware guys. I remember going to shitty parts of town in Medellin, where I never otherwise would have ventured, to score young chicks. That's where linking up can really be productive.
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#78
(02-17-2021, 06:09 PM)churros Wrote: I will say that reaching social balance or harmony with wings can be tricky. Most guys just don't have game. That's why it's often easier practically to go out alone. Whenever I brought out normies they would try to roast me to gain points with girls – after I opened the set for them! You could train them, but who has time for that.

But I've also had great fun with game-aware guys. I remember going to shitty parts of town in Medellin, where I never otherwise would have ventured, to score young chicks. That's where linking up can really be productive.

This is the worst and it's something that guys from my home town were always bad for, now when I go out with guys and they pull shit like that I just tell them not to do it, we're supposed to be making each other look good, not bust each other's balls in front of women.
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#79
A lot of guys out there will throw another gun under the bus if they get they slightest scent of pussy, especially if you barely know them there is no loyalty there.

You can really judge a guy by how he acts as soon as women come around, it’s easy for someone to seem ok but then add a chick in the mix and they really show their true colours.
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#80
I worked with this French dude, and we would have beers and game after work.  He had this game where we would give each other a random word (something neutral like "constellation"), and you had to approach and could only use that one word.

We also thought it was boring when the topic of work came up with girls, so another game was to intro each other, but make up a random career for the other person.  The only rule was it had to be something positive.  The idea was playfully lying, rather than boasting.

He was a great wing, and it was a fun way to mix things up.  He was also a natural, but he understood game (always build your wing up, for example).
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