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#41
Suspicious of what ATW is saying here as he is a reasonable guy and we were in Saigon at the same time.

Hell, even the chick serving our meet up in the bar our drinks seemed up for it.

The chicks on apps in Saigon are taking dickings like you wouldnt believe.

Its like ordering takeaway sometimes. They just come and get nailed and say thankyou as they walk out. I have had some enjoyable repeat liaisons with many chicks who gradually let me in on their tangled sex lives incl. boyfriends as it always belatedly turns out.

The time I met this chick I knew in a bar with her friends and she had one friend who was moping because her English boyfriend was away for a few days, staring sadly at her phone and repeat texting him.

Anyway the next morning the chick complained to me that there was 'no one new' in the club and that she and her friends had struck out.
I pointed out that they had all scored and that we had just had hours of furious sex, she said 'yeah but we know each other.. it doesnt count. there was no one NEW"
then she went on to say that her friend is struggling staying faithful to her English boyfriend. "Your friend who went into the toilets and fucked the bar manager?"
"Yes but she fucked him BEFORE so it doesnt count"
..???
"Its hard. She's not been having sex with anyone NEW.. (so difficult right now)."

There was a Saffa I knew who had a very touchy feely relationship with his Viet girl. -- together all the time. Took her back to Saffa-land to meet the family. Hung out with her family. Lots of Expats saying that where some Anglo-Viet relationships were - bogus, this one was the real thing.
Any-way, I made friends randomly one day with a Brit who was living low-key with a Viet model. 6 weeks in the mines in Oz, 6 weeks hanging out with model and her high flying rich Viet friends.
We were talking about the local expat scene he wasnt a part of and he said, "WTF is up with that couple I see all the time? That chick is STALKING me on FB. I had to block her" proceeded to show me message after obsessive message from one half of said loving couple.
He told me how he was in a cafe once, and the loving couple were entering when respectable-but-secretly-obsessive-nude-pics-stalker spotted him and froze. Cue little scene where she made out she suddenly didnt feel very well and couldnt enter establishment. And her unsuspecting boyfriend came over all concerned. ha ha ha ha..

I mean I feel bad for the boyfriend but these 'nice' 'girl next door' Viet chicks are like seasoned NVA sergeant majors cutting off the ears of collaborating villagers. And us expats are like John Doe the corn boy hick just got conscripted and never had to cook off a grenade in anger.

Fat ugly English guy I knew got himself a geeky girl next door with a cracking body, set up their own business together, he was good friends with the family, they were the big boyfriend/girlfriend act wherever they went in the District --- met a bi chick a year later who was chicks best friend from school. They fell out because the Viet girl was cheating on the down low every time she left town and trying to shrug it off when they spoke about it - which led to fall out.

Viet chicks are constantly up for it and cheat like no tomorrow. They can be ride or die types if you get the right one but in Nam both sides of couples are constantly getting busted and/or eyeing each other with suspicion.

If you come to Saigon its a sea of pussy, its incredible.
Sure, lots of girls want a boyfriend. What girl doesnt?
But if they already speak English be very wary of their ability to deceive vs their ability to genuinely stay faithful.
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#42
^^

I'd say the vast majority of girls in Saigon / Vietnam are already in relationships with Viet guys they met through school, work or social circle.

The girls we see online (esp the ones most foreign dudes gravitate to) are not your typical Viet girl in my opinion.
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#43
ATW and Bienvenuto I actually agree with both of you, to an extend. I also lived in Saigon in the same time period.

Vietnamese girls from dating apps banging quickly and Vietnamese girls from dating apps looking for a relationship are not mutually exclusive. Even if they bang quickly, in my experience they still want to move on to something serious pretty soon after, and that's what they are actually after.

Now whether they believe opening their legs on the first date from Tinder makes them relationship material in the guys eyes is a different question entirely.
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#44
(01-04-2021, 02:37 PM)Dash Wrote: ^^

I'd say the vast majority of girls in Saigon / Vietnam are already in relationships with Viet guys they met through school, work or social circle.

The girls we see online (esp the ones most foreign dudes gravitate to) are not your typical Viet girl in my opinion.

I think it is this way in many countries. The women who gyrate to foreigners often have difficulty fitting in to their own society, for example, single moms. country bumpkins, hippies, etc. Locals won't consider them as serious mates, so they hope to entrap a foreigner.
I be nutting in these bitches!
https://youtu.be/ixCrLAgk4YI
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#45
Theres a famous pic of whats known as the Hasanlu lovers which are said to be two embracing skeletons dug out of lava or some such thing.

Theres also a popular caption to it in Vietnam:

If They Were Vietnamese
Wife "Where's the money? We need more money. You've been spending it on that whore again haven't you!"
Husband: No! I havent seen her since you last caught me!
Wife: You have! I know you have!
Husband: No! I swear on that Volcano over there!
Volcano: "Bang."

Its not white-dick-hunter-whore vs nice girl next door dating locals faithfully in Vietnam.
They're all at it.

The middle aged women are the worst especially in the towns and villages.

There was a viral video that came out while I was there.
Middle aged village farmer caught his wife cheating with a neighbour and proceeded to chop her into pieces live on camera. Lots of neighbours, kids, teens on the tiny street screaming and crying as he did it. Dont know how the phone owner could bring himself to film it to be honest. Kind of video youd rather unwatch.

It led to alot of knowing looks and knowing conversations about how much that happens, as well as how much the women especially, especially the middle aged women, cheat in Viet society. Also Viet men will complain about how willingly Asian women in general will monkeybranch to any other race.

Its also acknowledged as the reason why Zalo (with its ability to hide conversations in the App) is the most popular messaging app. Low trust culture. Viet chicks are highly sexed, not-often-faithful, baby making machines.

Albeit the fact that expats often date the same pool of white-dick-worshippers and sex-in-the-city trash and are removed from getting to know real Viet society and the quality people that are out there in their own neighbourhoods... Id say that remains a constant.
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#46
(01-05-2021, 12:45 PM)Winston Wolfe Wrote: ATW and Bienvenuto I actually agree with both of you, to an extend. I also lived in Saigon in the same time period.

Vietnamese girls from dating apps banging quickly and Vietnamese girls from dating apps looking for a relationship are not mutually exclusive. Even if they bang quickly, in my experience they still want to move on to something serious pretty soon after, and that's what they are actually after.

Now whether they believe opening their legs on the first date from Tinder makes them relationship material in the guys eyes is a different question entirely.

I'm not sure about Vietnam, but sometimes Chinese women will throw sex at you right away, in rather abrupt fashion, to get you hooked and hopefully lock you down. Shock and awe.

I've seen something like this among the Japanese, too, but now sure how common it is.
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#47
(01-04-2021, 10:53 AM)Bienvenuto Wrote: Its like ordering takeaway sometimes. They just come and get nailed and say thankyou as they walk out. I have had some enjoyable repeat liaisons with many chicks who gradually let me in on their tangled sex lives incl. boyfriends as it always belatedly turns out.

What is their motivation? Why do you think they cheat so much? Is it a soulless culture of narcissism where people want to have their cake and eat it, too?
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(01-05-2021, 08:12 PM)WombRaider Wrote:
(01-04-2021, 10:53 AM)Bienvenuto Wrote: Its like ordering takeaway sometimes. They just come and get nailed and say thankyou as they walk out. I have had some enjoyable repeat liaisons with many chicks who gradually let me in on their tangled sex lives incl. boyfriends as it always belatedly turns out.

What is their motivation? Why do you think they cheat so much? Is it a soulless culture of narcissism where people want to have their cake and eat it, too?

I like the Vietnamese so dont take this the wrong way.
According to the Chinese I knew: they are mud people, far more given to violence, sex, hypergamy than their Northern neighbours.

What I would say the Chinese are definitely calmer.

My experience of the Viets is that they are very bright, industrious and hard working.
They are also the people most in the thrall of greed that I have ever been around.
Not ... Chairman Mao "massacre-proletariat" greed, ...not Halliburton "massacre-peasants" kind of greed, which is a heavier, more measured, ugly greed.
Viets are far more >compulsively< greedy, swallow saliva, eyes glaze over .. in the grip of greed, than any other group I have ever known.

Go and join a Saigon traffic-light queue where people 30 yards back dont just chill and wait for the lights to change. everybody is revving, everyone is twitching.. Adams apples are bobbing, flexing throttles, revving to the max... and they've still got 2 mins on the counter to wait. They can see they've got 120 seconds to wait but they cant even bring themselves to look over their shoulders cos they are so focused. Tunnel vision. Its like a huge swarm of manic frogs sitting there, all injected with meth, going nuts. 
That doesnt happen in Thailand, for example. Mai Pen rai etc.

Once I was parked up and taking my keys out of the ignition when I made the mistake of hitting the horn by accident. The people riding past like maniacs all started beeping their horns. Then the traffic on the other side started beeping their horns. for 30 secs 4 lanes of traffic all started beeping their horns at each other.

Compulsive. Manic.

Met a cute Japanese chick in Thailand who had just come from Vietnam. I asked her how she had found the Vietnamese. "Er, they're very um,.. passionate?  I mean to say that they're very.. emotional?"

Maybe that Viet bulldog spirit that has helped them so many times.

Allow me to get all Dr Mengele but alot of Viet chicks (not everyone but most) Ive been with have tiny pussies - and their cervixes protrude a long way down their pussies.
So there are 4 chambers, above cervix, below cervix, to the left, to the right... all a very tight fit for fingers or a dick. 

And that cervix is like the protruding teeth of an Alien Queen, when she's turned on its like a little chest hugger breaking free of someones ribcage and going mad. Ive finger bashed chicks whose pussies have been spraying (nothing to do with my icky, pawing, lizard-like touch by the way... Smile ) and their cervixes have been almost bruising my fingers as they spasm in search of semen. havent had that with Euro chicks in the same way.

Funnily enough I was comparing the whole 4 chamber pussy thing with other expats and we were all in agreement about that and how.. they seem to get very very wet, very very fast and then they.. dry out just as fast.
Some Viet chicks in the bedroom, she's either very wet and very turned on in that moment or shes getting distracted and she's going to dry up just as fast. Moment to moment.

So.. greed coming from physiognomy I would say.

I hate agreeing contracts with middle aged Viet woman: they get greedy halfway through, pupils dilate, start licking their lips and then they start ignoring everything that makes it obvious that the deal won't work.. cos theyre so keen to get to the signature/climax. 

The older Sex in the City chicks are deluded. living off fast food rather than cooking for themselves (big no no to older Viets), reading about entrepreneurship and telling themselves that they will have a kid on their own later in life and raise it on the hapless random father's maintenance whilst basking in internet fame as a stronk wahman business person. Future cat ladies.

The young Tinder chicks in Saigon are just vapid chicks, victims of a soul-less commercialised Western culture. Great in bed alot of them. They will however be bitter bitter women in years to come when their looks fade and their brightest healthiest years were just spent clubbing, addicted to their phones and fucking random foreigners that gave them brief attention/tingles over text-exchanges when they were bored every afternoon.

But I mean, I stayed in a provincial town and had bank accounts in two banks. One bank they were all vapid and tattooed single mothers addicted to their phones..adding me straight away "you marry me? ha ha ha" , check out my insta! check out my pics! etc. etc. 
the other, humbler bank was full of mothers with nice families. They insisted on going out with me for coffee on occasion and no way would they have cheated with me. I met their husbands and their kids. But fuck me these middle aged women next door turned up for morning coffee dates en masse in groups of 4 and 5 : all of them wearing hot pants, micro mini skirts, stilletos and showing loads of cleavage, looking a million dollars, whilst making polite conversation with everyone who knew them.

The 24 year old Catholic girls I worked with in one place were all church going, engaged to their teenaged boyfriends and still virgins. They put on a dance show at a kids christmas party. they wore next to nothing, it was the most graphic thing youve seen.. I felt like their proctologist. nodding at the kids and their grinning fathers like Bill Burr.. thinking "theyre a bunch of fucking Whoressss right?? ...right??"

Look at them on their bikes, Viet women dress like Jawas in full tights, gloves, balaclavas etc every time they pop home from work. they go home/work 3 times a day at least. Every time they dress like a fucking bat against the sun and then at home they emerge 5 minutes later looking sleek and sexy, then the Egyptian Mummy routine again back to work, then 5 minutes later they are in glamorous gear on the reception of their job. The pussy is driving them.

A Thai chick in comparison is lazy: just wears hot pants and a crop top everywhere on her bike and then slaps on bleaching cream each night.

They work very hard at their looks and femininity. Physiognomy of the pussy calls the tune. 

Every working class marriage seems to have domestic violence and the unofficial rationale is that a Viet wife will pick and pick and pick at her man, especially over money, whilst Viet men will ignore it and drink and drink and drink .. then finally the dam breaks, her mum comes round and patches her up physically and emotionally and tells her that her man has now shown he is the man of the house, pull yourself together, this is the way it is, know your place : order has been restored and everyone in both families can relax now.

The Jrai / Degar tribespeople I knew.. I would add the teenie girls on Facebook or Zalo and all their pics would be of them and their midget boyfriends trying to look like Midget Patrick Swayzes wearing baseball caps, sitting on the back of their 3rd hand ancient Suzuki bikes with an alco pop each. Every 4 weeks their news story would be of one of them with a black eye or a massive shiner thanks to said boyfriend and thanks to their indiscretions and all their little female teenie bopper friends doing crying emojis underneath. Rinse and repeat. Here it comes again.

Really these chicks need someone to write a mechanical users manual about them.

All I can do for Swoop is add some very rough, amateurish Cliffs Notes:

"Massive levels of impulsive greed and craving
Coming from their insane alien vaginas.."

...I mean... look at their population growth charts: they starved 2 million to death in the late 70s under communism.  From 45 million to 100 million today. Very very fertile, ===so fertile in fact that they are giving famous communist-eugenicists Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates nightmar-(EDIT: no politics, sorry everyone. :/ )
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#49
@Bienvenuto This is a hell of a post. I don't even know what to say. The description of the four-chambered vagina was exquisite.

These folks clearly have a fire within.
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#50
Dating is essentially a game of deception, the days were you just had to 'be yourself' or 'be a standup man' to get quality girls are long over guys.

Yes! You could be yourself long ago when I started chasing girls. It's how a short stocky nerdy guy like me could date and even get into relationships with much taller women. To many of them my height, bookishness, and gentlemanly attitude was not held against me. Try that today guys. I feel your pain. 

Some absolute gold here courtesy of RA and Bienvenuto.
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#51
Imo women cheat for a few reasons which are all faults of the men with them

1) You got with a complete whore
2) You got with a gold digger or green card chaser that doesn't love you
3) You are a shitty partner in some aspect or another
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#52
(01-07-2021, 05:04 PM)Dash Wrote: Imo women cheat for a few reasons which are all faults of the men with them

1) You got with a complete whore
2) You got with a gold digger or green card chaser that doesn't love you
3) You are a shitty partner in some aspect or another

I disagree. They cheat because they have the power in today's advanced societies. They cheat because they can. You can check all their boxes and some will still cheat. There is still this idea so popular with many men that you can pimp hand or alpha your way with your woman and she wouldn't dare step out on you. Real life has taught me that is just not true.
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#53
(01-07-2021, 07:13 PM)Viejo Sabio Wrote:
(01-07-2021, 05:04 PM)Dash Wrote: Imo women cheat for a few reasons which are all faults of the men with them

1) You got with a complete whore
2) You got with a gold digger or green card chaser that doesn't love you
3) You are a shitty partner in some aspect or another

I disagree. They cheat because they have the power in today's advanced societies. They cheat because they can. You can check all their boxes and some will still cheat. There is still this idea so popular with many men that you can pimp hand or alpha your way with your woman and she wouldn't dare step out on you. Real life has taught me that is just not true.

You both are overthinking this.

People cheat because they want to and because they can.

People have always cheated.
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#54
Quote:People have always cheated.

Probably true. Even in cultures where infidelity was/is severely sanctioned, people did it and still do. You'd think that the threat of death by stoning would be enough to dissuade people. And yet they still cheat. That suggests, to me, that some level of cheating is written into the DNA of the species. Sad to say.
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#55
It will either blow up in your face. Or you will be blowing a load on hers.
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#56
@Viejo

Women and men have always had the power to cheat. Even Adam and Eve or cavemen/cavewomen had the power to cheat. Has nothing to do with any new found power in today's society.

People have always cheated the world over and will continue to cheat until the end of time.

If you check all her boxes and she still cheats that means 1) she is a complete whore or 2) she doesn't actually love you

Real life tells me men and women are dumb as FUCK with it comes to choosing mates

Most women and men are not even LTR material.

@Suits

We want to do things for a reason.

I want to eat pizza because it's delicious.

I want to play basketball because it's fun.

I wanted to break up with my GF because she wasn't easy going and had shit communication skills.

There is a reason why a woman is cheating on her man. '

And as I pointed out it's either

1) She is a complete whore
2) She doesn't actually love dude
3) The dude is not satisfying her emotional and physical needs
4) The dude is complete shit at some aspect of life

It's not in a woman's natural instincts to cheat on their partner. Women are much more likely to leave the man vs cheating.

Complete opposite for men. We have a constant desire to cheat on our partner no matter how great she may be.

Men cheat due to

1) Innate burning desire to fuck anything attractive
2) Weak morals, character and principle
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#57
I hate to say this but in my observation, your ability and willingness to cheat on her will only make her more attracted to you. I wish that wasn't true but it seems to be.
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#58
(01-08-2021, 03:49 AM)Disco_Volante Wrote: I hate to say this but in my observation, your ability and willingness to cheat on her will only make her more attracted to you. I wish that wasn't true but it seems to be.

It's my observation that you are mostly observing low quality women with daddy and self esteem issues. 

Try that on a woman that is actually marriage material and she will leave your ass with the quickness.
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