best South American country to start a business as a North American (US)
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(08-05-2020, 04:54 AM)bootknocker Wrote:
(08-05-2020, 02:37 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:
(08-03-2020, 08:44 PM)Mister Happy Wrote:
(08-03-2020, 08:31 PM)bootknocker Wrote:
(08-03-2020, 08:17 PM)Mister Happy Wrote: What type of business would you do? Argentina is a socialist worker's paradise and a mess for businesses. I can't really recommend. Maybe some type of tourism thing (and get paid in dollars in an offshore account) might work. maybe a front business whose real purpose is laundering money would work lol. Seems like it would be a lot of tears and heartache for anything involving a physical location that tax and labor inspectors would ever visit.

Hmmm...what about like motor bike rentals in Colombia or Argentina? I can repair them myself but I think they would prob be stolen in a day lol. Any online business ideas. I've worked construction in one form or another my whole life but that's not something I want to do in LatAm unless I could freelance as a consultant or something. I don't fucking know man.

That sounds like a pretty good idea. Get foreigners to come in for motorcycle tours and pay in dollars.

First:  A bit off topic, but I would like to congratulate Mister Happy in becoming a default "posting freak," so now, I am not the only forum member sharing this less than complimentary title (that I would rather just leave as default.. but nice to have one other member, so far to commiserate such status).

Regarding bootknocker's situation, he seems quite indecisive, and surely it does seem like a good idea that he should want to attempt to employ some of his own skills and interests, but seems that a guy cannot really create any directed business without some level of boots on the ground and checking out various locations physically to see some kinds of niche things that either are lacking or there seems to be enough money making potential that it would be worth the time to put energies and money into a project without either getting robbed/extorted by a local mafia or just becoming some kind of other honeypot target, even dangers in attempting to have a business by yourself, but sometimes dangers in partnering up with a local or even a gringo.

Johnny Mueller does talk about some of these kinds of ideas (and pointing out dangers) in his Latin America focused Expat Files podcast from time to time, and you might get some ideas by listening to some of his latin america focused shows, too.
That's actually a good point. I guess it's easy to think "that won't happen to me." I do have a long time white friend who owns and runs a rather large hotel and restaurant in SA and employed locals to build and help run it and he profits pretty well esp for SA and hasn't been shaken down or anything like that. If he was in a more desirable country I would invest in business with him.


I think I'm just going to start researching online businesses. Anyone have ideas of something that's not like selling and shipping products are is that basically the way to go?


The guy on the podcast that I referred you (Mueller), frequently talks about getting off of the gringo tourist trail, and therefore you have gringo advantage in terms of business, whether we are talking about goods and products or some combination that includes services, too. 

Surely, I would not talk anyone out of the idea of studying up on a variety of possible areas of business, and when you get boots on the ground, then you have some business focuses that you might already be considering, but you are likely to be more successful if you identify an area in which there might be lacking.. which might be one town versus another town (or one area of the town that is lacking such business offerings, but surely even a hotel/restaurant bar, for example, might do better in one niche area versus another, just as some kinds of construction businesses or bike repair business, and no matter what your business, there are probably advantages to having a business in which you could attempt to exploit your gringo-ness in an area that is not over-run by gringos.. so your interacting with customers would have more value than if you were merely locked behind the scenes, and surely if there is a decent amount of manual labor that is involved, then you might serve as one of the front men rather than behind the scenes laborers, even if you might have a combination of yourself and other laborers carrying out the actual work that you end up overseeing (supervising) the quality of product and even attempt to cause your customers to believe that they are getting a better value by going through you and your business than what locals might be ready, willing or able to provide for some similar products/services.
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JayJuanGee


I agree with the boots on the ground. I'm still deciding between Colombia or Argentina and maybe even Uruguay. I just want something small to keep busy. I do speak Spanish so maybe I could be a White Monkey for another business but working for someone else would prob require more time than I want to spend. Something like (not necessarily the same thing) a pressure washing business were I can hire a couple of guys to do some of the work wouldn't be bad. I have another friend who does it as a side business here in the US and basically just hires a couple of guys to do like 2 or 3 jobs a day. It's easy money. Not much but he basically has everything automated.
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(08-05-2020, 03:59 PM), bootknocker Wrote: ..I just want something small to keep busy...

Uber driver
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(08-05-2020, 06:05 PM)Mister Happy Wrote:
(08-05-2020, 03:59 PM), bootknocker Wrote: ..I just want something small to keep busy...

Uber driver

Thats actually a fucking great idea bro! Thanks...AGAIN!

(08-05-2020, 05:25 AM)Suits Wrote:
(08-05-2020, 04:54 AM)bootknocker Wrote: I think I'm just going to start researching online businesses. Anyone have ideas of something that's not like selling and shipping products are is that basically the way to go?

All businesses fall into one of three three categories. Service-based, product-based or a combination of the two.

I know several guys who operate a location independence service. One is a writer (and longstanding RVF member who I've worked hired in the past and will continue to give work to in the future. A couple others are copywriters, who learned the art of writing sales copy and slowly leveraged their way up to better and better paying work alongside learning how market themselves effectively. I know some other guys who work as voice talents and most of their work involves recording audio versions of other people's books. None of these options are fancy and there's a very close relationship between the hours they work and the money they earn, but it pays the bills and gives them a lot of freedom.

Dropshipping sounds like a product-based business, but it's really more of a service-based business, since you aren't actually creating and bringing a new product to market. You're just providing some added service alongside a pre-existing product.

A real product-based business would sell a product that it had created, even if that product was pretty much the same thing as an other pre-existing product. If you control the manufacturing process, you have a product. If you buy from someone who controls the manufacturing process, you're just offering sales as a service. With digital products, it's easy to control the "manufacturing process," since it's simply a matter of owning the copyright on those bits and bytes.

I think for a solo-player, the smart move is to combine services and products into a unique combination. For example, for someone doing voice talent work (recording audiobooks or similar things), owning the copyright for (or at least the right to use) a large catalogue of music would allow you to provide an added level of value to your clients that most of your competitors could not.

Another example would be to write a series of corporate training textbooks. However, instead of selling them yourself, use them as a basis to create custom textbooks for HR departments. The product would be the finished textbook. The service would be using graphic design and editing skills to re-work the base textbooks and even write new sections based on the clients needs.

By combining a knowledge area you already have (or could learn) with a product and a skill, you'll be able to provide value to a niche group of people in a manner that could not be easily replicated and you could set your prices accordingly.

these all seem like great ideas. I'm prob not really smart or talented enough to pull any of if off tho Big Grin  Maybe I should just make a Tik Tok and link it to an OnlyFans
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You can get a taxi. The way it works is you pay rent to the owner, and I suppose you keep the taxi fares. So if you don't make any fares I guess it is like renting a car. I knew a guy who did that, he would use the taxi to do his business and sometimes pick up fares but it seems like it was a cheap way to rent a car and not a way to make money per se.
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(08-05-2020, 03:59 PM)bootknocker Wrote: JayJuanGee


I agree with the boots on the ground. I'm still deciding between Colombia or Argentina and maybe even Uruguay. I just want something small to keep busy. I do speak Spanish so maybe I could be a White Monkey for another business but working for someone else would prob require more time than I want to spend. Something like (not necessarily the same thing) a pressure washing business were I can hire a couple of guys to do some of the work wouldn't be bad. I have another friend who does it as a side business here in the US and basically just hires a couple of guys to do like 2 or 3 jobs a day. It's easy money. Not much but he basically has everything automated.

The problem here is hard labor jobs are dirt cheap.  If I wanted someone to come do some handyman work I have a list of guys I can call and they will come for a full day for as low as $15.  If it was in the US they would want to charge by the job and wouldn't show up for a week. The only way those types of industry will work is if it requires a huge investment.  In that case it can be a good business.  You have to think about how you can use what you have to have an advantage.  For example doing powerwashing work someone can probably buy a cheap power washer for $50.  You want something with expensive equipment.  A few things off the top of my head that I paid quite a bit for compared to other stuff is trash removal (need an expensive dump truck) and hardwood floor refinishing (need $4-5k in equipment).  An even better option is to use your money and foreign citizenship connections to import stuff they don't have and sell it.

One thing about running a business in a new country is you learn how things work and make real connections much faster. You will also be forced to improve your Spanish if you aren't completely fluent. Once you get outside of the gringo circle the amount of people who try scamming you will only be a small fraction. I actually have less bad experiences running a business in the third world than I did running a business in the US.
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I think I'll start with renting the taxi to try uber and work on getting connections to import. The taxi would help with the networking too. I think those would be low barrier to entry and low risk for me.
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(08-05-2020, 11:31 PM)bootknocker Wrote: I think I'll start with renting the taxi to try uber and work on getting connections to import. The taxi would help with the networking too. I think those would be low barrier to entry and low risk for me.

I'm not sure if I'm understanding you correctly. Your plan is to go to a country where you do not have a work permit, rent a taxi and use it to drive Uber?
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A taxi trip in Colombia that can cost $2 can be 15 minutes long. There is no money in it. The only way it would work if you were to buy a car and rent the car to someone to drive uber. I dated a girl who did this. She also rented larger trucks. This is scale-able because there are plenty of people who can't afford a car and you are trading resources for $ and not trading your time for money at 3rd world slave wages.
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I'm pretty sure this guy is either trolling or retarded.
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(08-05-2020, 11:31 PM)bootknocker Wrote: I think I'll start with renting the taxi to try uber and work on getting connections to import. The taxi would help with the networking too. I think those would be low barrier to entry and low risk for me.

A taxi is basically a cheap car rental, even if you make no money on fares. And allows you to meet people. To me sounds like an interesting plan. I've had a few car bangs in Argentina also. COuld save money on hotels as well. Very interesting plan. Besides $2 is a lot of beans and rice lol. One fare could feed you for one day. Sleep in the car. Chicks in the barrio would bang you if you have a car. It would be like money for nothing and chicks for free. Very interesting plan.
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(08-06-2020, 01:17 AM)churros Wrote: I'm pretty sure this guy is either trolling or retarded.

hahahahaha

Yeah, exactly.  


Each of the latest ideas that is presented to him/her is the greatest of ideas. S/he starts out interested in construction work and ends up driving an uber/taxi.  Rolleyes  (all accomplished in a matter of a few days brainstorming discussion)
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(08-05-2020, 11:54 PM)Suits Wrote: I'm not sure if I'm understanding you correctly. Your plan is to go to a country where you do not have a work permit, rent a taxi and use it to drive Uber?

Lol. You have to be the most boring guy I know. Such a pussy too. "Not sure I understand you." I think you understand. It's not like the USA where storm troopers always want to see your papers. Once you get out in the campo, some of the remis places, you're lucky if the car even has seats or a floor. You might get a driver from some Indian tribe in Bolivia that doesn't even speak Spanish and has no papers even in Bolivia.
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Not trolling and only slightly retarded. Im just looking for something to do to keep busy when I get bored, make a litttle spare change on the side, and as an unforeseen added bonus meet new people. It's not about the money. I have hobbies but they are very quiet and alone time hobbies. I appreciate everyone's advice and all of you had good ideas I just think the Uber/taxi would be easy without a set schedule while I learn about importing products. You guys get really worked up fast.

(08-06-2020, 12:57 AM)Shimmy Wrote: A taxi trip in Colombia that can cost $2 can be 15 minutes long.  There is no money in it.  The only way it would work if you were to buy a car and rent the car to someone to drive uber.  I dated a girl who did this.  She also rented larger trucks.  This is scale-able because there are plenty of people who can't afford a car and you are trading resources for $ and not trading your time for money at 3rd world slave wages.

Maybe buying a pickup truck and renting out either for commuting, taxi, or utility. Like this idea too.
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(08-06-2020, 02:45 AM)bootknocker Wrote: Not trolling and only slightly retarded. Im just looking for something to do to keep busy when I get bored, make a litttle spare change on the side, and as an unforeseen added bonus meet new people. It's not about the money. I have hobbies but they are very quiet and alone time hobbies. I appreciate everyone's advice and all of you had good ideas I just think the Uber/taxi would be easy without a set schedule while I learn about importing products. You guys get really worked up fast.

Hahahahaha

Of course, several of us get worked up, so seems a bit problematic if you are giving reasons for that.

Surely, there are guys who are more spontaneous and others who plan a lot, but even the way that you had been asking your questions does not really fit very well into what real guys might do, even if he might not have fleshed out his ideas very well.

It seems to be a pretty BIG idea to be moving to another location, and planning on carrying out some kind of business or hobby but hardly have any ideas that are formulating your own direction... so of course, if it possible that your story could possibly be legit, even if it is seeming like a bit of a stretch at the moment.

So, do you have some kind of timeline for your plan?  Will be good to hear if you have any follow through with it.  Are you considering taking specific actions within the coming months?  or within this calendar year?  yeah, we all know the virus is a bit of an ongoing issue too, and so there will be a decent amount of regional variation with that too... including whether you can even get traveling authorization to your purported intended business location.
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(08-05-2020, 03:59 PM)bootknocker Wrote: JayJuanGee


I agree with the boots on the ground. I'm still deciding between Colombia or Argentina and maybe even Uruguay. I just want something small to keep busy. I do speak Spanish so maybe I could be a White Monkey for another business but working for someone else would prob require more time than I want to spend. Something like (not necessarily the same thing) a pressure washing business were I can hire a couple of guys to do some of the work wouldn't be bad. I have another friend who does it as a side business here in the US and basically just hires a couple of guys to do like 2 or 3 jobs a day. It's easy money. Not much but he basically has everything automated.

(08-06-2020, 12:57 AM)Shimmy Wrote: A taxi trip in Colombia that can cost $2 can be 15 minutes long.  There is no money in it.  The only way it would work if you were to buy a car and rent the car to someone to drive uber.  I dated a girl who did this.  She also rented larger trucks.  This is scale-able because there are plenty of people who can't afford a car and you are trading resources for $ and not trading your time for money at 3rd world slave wages.

I wouldn't recommend driving a taxi without proper papers; at least in and around Medellín.  There are frequent checkpoints and you'd have to have your bribe game on point at a minimum.
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(08-06-2020, 02:58 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote: So, do you have some kind of timeline for your plan?  Will be good to hear if you have any follow through with it.  Are you considering taking specific actions within the coming months?  or within this calendar year?  yeah, we all know the virus is a bit of an ongoing issue too, and so there will be a decent amount of regional variation with that too... including whether you can even get traveling authorization to your purported intended business location.

At this point I don't even know where I want to move yet. Initially I was hoping to hear from those who had experience working in LatAm as a foreigner but then the thread kind of morphed into bouncing ideas around. The comments gave me some good ideas and things to consider. I learned that no matter what I decide to do I should def be thorough about it as opposed to jumping right in feet first.
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These gringos started a motorcycle rental/tour company in Colombia: https://www.adrenalineaddicts.co/
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(08-06-2020, 05:45 AM)Scotian Wrote: These gringos started a motorcycle rental/tour company in Colombia: https://www.adrenalineaddicts.co/

This is a great business idea. Many older guys will get in to motorcycles as they get older and the ball and chain and health issues start to affect their sex lives, it's symbolic of the freedom and sexual exploration of their youth, but more socially acceptable than p4p. A motorcycle tour of Colombia, which most certainly would involve many single moms seeking taxi fare, would be a socially acceptable way to do both. These guys are probably at the height of their careers with plenty of money to burn, but no where to stick their dicks.
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(08-06-2020, 05:45 AM)Scotian Wrote: These gringos started a motorcycle rental/tour company in Colombia: https://www.adrenalineaddicts.co/

They really have a great website and all the bases covered.
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