Older Guys (40+)
#1
The Older Guys thread at RVF was one of the most active (and generally useful) game threads in recent years. It has a lot of great content not only about women, but also health, family, finances and more. 

I think its a good thread to have here that hopefully will start to draw quality posters

With that in mind Im using the OP from the RVF original to get this started 


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(08-14-2008, 06:07 PM)broken Wrote: A co-worker came up to me and asked me what he can do to be better with women.  I peg him @ mid 50's.

What do you tell an older guy (who's doing okay $ wise, but not raking in the dough © Zhigge), who can't really do the happy hour/club night the same way that we approach it...

Or can you?

Ideas?
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#2
The older guy thread had a completely different vibe. I always appreciated it. Full of wisdom from real word experience.
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#3
Quote:What do you tell an older guy (who's doing okay $ wise, but not raking in the dough © Zhigge), who can't really do the happy hour/club night the same way that we approach it...

Or can you?

Ideas?
Retire early (age 50 at the latest, if possible) and leave the West returning only from time to time.  Understand that most of your interactions/relationships will be transactional (not that they aren't all that way anyway).
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#4
(01-15-2020, 01:30 AM)OviOs Wrote:
Quote:What do you tell an older guy (who's doing okay $ wise, but not raking in the dough © Zhigge), who can't really do the happy hour/club night the same way that we approach it...

Or can you?

Ideas?
Retire early (age 50 at the latest, if possible) and leave the West returning only from time to time.  Understand that most of your interactions/relationships will be transactional (not that they aren't all that way anyway).

I believe this applies if you are trying to swoop much younger women. If you are going for women closer to your own age group -- say late 30s and above -- I think you can find women in the west or elsewhere who won't be as transaction-focused.
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#5
(01-15-2020, 03:09 AM)WombRaider Wrote:
(01-15-2020, 01:30 AM)OviOs Wrote:
Quote:What do you tell an older guy (who's doing okay $ wise, but not raking in the dough © Zhigge), who can't really do the happy hour/club night the same way that we approach it...

Or can you?

Ideas?
Retire early (age 50 at the latest, if possible) and leave the West returning only from time to time.  Understand that most of your interactions/relationships will be transactional (not that they aren't all that way anyway).

I believe this applies if you are trying to swoop much younger women. If you are going for women closer to your own age group -- say late 30s and above -- I think you can find women in the west or elsewhere who won't be as transaction-focused.
Thanks for response.  And in principle, I will agree.  Maybe I should have defined transaction more clearly.  You have to have something she wants: could be your body, and/or money, and/or potential for stability, her personal validation due to your relative status or....something.  Briffault's Law and all that.  I'm not sure I would believe even for a second that all women don't size you up and assess what value you could bring, thus the transaction (defined as exchange of value) can take many forms.


As a side note, dating up for me in the West is near impossible using strictly game.  Dating down is the norm and, for me, that definitely falls into "Why Bother" category.  Further, when I am able to pull a woman most westerners would consider on my level she is generally a shit-testing pain in the ass who is looking to upgrade despite me knowing intuitively I am probably the best she will ever get at this point in her life.  Yes, they still shit test at 35-40+ (and beyond!!!) even when they are carrying around looser and dryer vaginas.
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#6
Barbarian Father Started Q&A 40+ thread in 2017
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#7
As an older man, I am interested in finding one high quality female partner.  When a man is younger he spends an enormous amounts of time, financial resources, and effort going from one woman to the next, like a monkey swinging through the trees. picking a banana and then immediately throwing it away to get a better looking banana on the next branch.  He is swooping the world.
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#8
As you get older the really young women (15+ years younger) won't flirt as much, or make contact with you as you pass them on the street or in the mall. You won't get those coy eye-fucking approach invitations anymore. What this means is that you have to be more aggressive running your game. You won't be able to rely on your looks and wait for girls to check you out. You'll have to go in cold and be prepared for her objections to the age difference with a snappy line and the proper frame. Additionally start considering meeting girls in places other than bars and clubs that cater to younger crowds. 

Getting a neighborhood bar with more upscale and mixed aged clientele on lock down is a great MO. A good bartender can be the best (and only) wing man youll ever need. 

Art classes, theater, dance classes, wine tastings, , will skew a little older and attract the type of girls who like older men. My favorites have been charity events and book stores (but the local lounge was the most productive) . 

Logistics as always are critical. A cool pad where a young woman thats attracted to you can get away from judgmental eyes peers is a big plus

Oh yeah....Learn to screen for girls with daddy issues and exploit them. Theres a lot of them 

Bottom line: Game becomes even more important for the older gentleman. You have to be able demonstrate that you bring "experience" to bear and make her experience things a younger guy cant. 
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#9
Quote:Further, when I am able to pull a woman most westerners would consider on my level she is generally a shit-testing pain in the ass who is looking to upgrade despite me knowing intuitively I am probably the best she will ever get at this point in her life.  Yes, they still shit test at 35-40+ (and beyond!!!) even when they are carrying around looser and dryer vaginas.

So throughout their days, they never really make contact with reality. Kind of sad.
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#10
For the record, Roosh decided to spare the Older Guys thread from the axe: https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-30.html

Of course, discussions about extramarital sex are no longer allowed there.

Personally, I think it’s better to continue the discussion here, because it can be more open and frank.

My point of view is this: The notion that a gentleman in his 40s or 50s can not date (or bang or whatever) a woman in her 20s is one which is unique to Western culture. In Latin America, there was no issue with me dating girls 20 years younger than myself, but I was going to the gym 2 or 3 times a week and had my weight fully under control. The 7s and 8s in Latin America will tell me “Well, he’s 10-30 years older than me” but they will date them; another Latina once told me “Well, he was too old for me to get in a relationship with, but we got stoned together and had really great sex.” I personally was only able to date 5s and 6s 20 years younger than myself.

I also know someone who was able to get a mail order bride from Southeast Asia 30 years younger than himself, even though he does not take care of himself physically.
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#11
(01-15-2020, 08:18 PM)WombRaider Wrote:
Quote:Further, when I am able to pull a woman most westerners would consider on my level she is generally a shit-testing pain in the ass who is looking to upgrade despite me knowing intuitively I am probably the best she will ever get at this point in her life.  Yes, they still shit test at 35-40+ (and beyond!!!) even when they are carrying around looser and dryer vaginas.

So throughout their days, they never really make contact with reality. Kind of sad.
Some in the redpill community say this: "evolution/biological programming doesn't make it a necessity that women need to be in touch with the harsh realities of life the way that men are".  From personal experience though, I can tell you that many older women freak out when you pull the rug out from under them when they don't have another option lined up.  They somehow adapt though by finding a non-standard-having simp or through excessive alcohol consumption.  And cats.  Lots of cats.  The trend toward dog ownership is duly noted.
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#12
Quote:a non-standard-having simp

No shortage of them.

In the older female age brackets, the rates of obesity and bustedness go through the roof. So I imagine those few who still maintain decent looks get quite a bit of attention both from older guys and from young cougar-hunters.
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#13
(01-17-2020, 03:47 PM)WombRaider Wrote:
Quote:a non-standard-having simp

No shortage of them.

In the older female age brackets, the rates of obesity and bustedness go through the roof. So I imagine those few who still maintain decent looks get quite a bit of attention both from older guys and from young cougar-hunters.

For sure.  Although here in Colombia, the game is decidely in our favor if you are MILF/cougar hunting.
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#14
I still get plenty of eye-fucking in urban bars and streets, casinos, and even occasionally suburban malls. There are just so many girls with daddy issues, or who prefer a guy with experience who dresses well and can afford to buy them two cocktails without freaking out over the bill.

I've also noticed older guys are assumed to be more dominant or into kink.
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#15
Yes as always take the wisdom from the older guys in one thread. Pissing on them on another thread. Older guys me included, I'm 51 have the wisdom and knowledge of the early days of the good times, but it seems like every time someone is mentioning the good times there is someone else much younger bitching about it.

It seems like that's always how it's shaping up.
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#16
Whenever this topic comes up I usually see someone ask what advice you'd give to a young man. But what about advice for someone in their mid thirites?
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#17
^ If you've taken care of yourself, the advice in your mid 30s would be similar to someone in their late 20s or early 30s.
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#18
Well, my life has been pretty wild not just as of late but I would say since 1993 when I visited Thailand on a "vacation" just to find myself overstaying indefinitely and starting a business. Back than things were easier than nowadays business and dating wise. If you really want a suggestion. Go ahead and fulfill your dreams, do what you always wanted to do, NOW. Don't wait, the world is extremely fast moving down the drain. I know many people saying that and perhaps smile a bit when they say it. I have been living my life full-on and have absolutely no regret, except, I would love to return to 15-20 years ago not because of my age now but because of the simple life everyone had back than. Nobody wasted time with online dating, online forums, everyone was and about in the streets, life was happening, nowadays even Brazil, the full-blown bohemian location of the past has turned into turf lands. Don't chase a career anymore, you will never know how long life will be as "free" as it still is.
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#19
(11-13-2020, 09:13 PM)Wintermute Wrote: Whenever this topic comes up I usually see someone ask what advice you'd give to a young man. But what about advice for someone in their mid thirites?

If that mid 30s dude didn't want a wife and family then the same advice from a younger guy would still apply. 

Only when you want a wife and kids do things change some.
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#20
(01-15-2020, 08:18 PM)WombRaider Wrote:
Quote:Further, when I am able to pull a woman most westerners would consider on my level she is generally a shit-testing pain in the ass who is looking to upgrade despite me knowing intuitively I am probably the best she will ever get at this point in her life.  Yes, they still shit test at 35-40+ (and beyond!!!) even when they are carrying around looser and dryer vaginas.

So throughout their days, they never really make contact with reality. Kind of sad.

In the West a bunch of them never make contact with reality, yes even at 35 +

Fuck these pussified feminist societies!
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