Is sex with a condom actually sex?
#1
I refuse to wear condoms. Life is too short to ruin one of life’s most pleasurable experiences. I don’t even consider using a woman’s vagina to help you masturbate into a latex sleeve to be sex. If I put on a rubber glove and place my hand in a bucket of water I’m not touching water, my hand will not get wet. Just as if you put on a condom and place your cock in a vagina your cock is not touching vagina.
I propose to the forum that sex with a condom is not sex at all. Subsequently all notch counts need to be unsheathed and stripped to their raw value.
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#2
What about a blowjob, is that sex? Just kidding. I tend to agree, sex in a condom isn't really sex, although it could be considered foreplay, as condoms sometimes do rip or just fall off.
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#3
I'm team-rawdog for any mini-ltr or fwb situation.

However I'll almost always wrap up for a ONS or with some hostel chick/gringo hunter while travelling. It's still sex as far as I'm concerned.
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#4
Irresponsible and childish.

I'm sure that all the kids out their with two parents on opposite sides of the country will appreciate the fact that sex with a condom really isn't really sex when daddy doesn't come to their birthday party year after year.
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#5
^ was it as traumatic for you as you make it sound?

No I don’t consider blowjobs sex or a notch. Blowjobs are foreplay. I’m wrestling with my own reasoning though, since I definitely consider an anal only bang a notch. Maybe two notches.
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(12-20-2019, 12:32 AM)Smash Wrote: ^ was it as traumatic for you as you make it sound? 

My parents are both 4's who have never slept with anyone other than each other (super obvious if you've ever met either of them) and were both 100% committed to staying together.

I had an incredibly stable upbringing and am a better man because of this.


By being together and always supporting each other, they showed me and my siblings what a healthy relationship looks like. Three of my brothers and sisters are now in happy, reliable marriages. My one other brother is getting married in May to an absolute winner who understands, respects and supports him.

I'm grateful every day that my dad wasn't some guy who had risky, unprotected sex with women he wasn't married to.

Every guy who accidently had a kid (or four) by depending on the pulling out method, at one point bragged confidently about his impressive self-control and willpower.

Don't be a scumbag.
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#7
^ Do you agree that if you have anal sex with a girl, the first time you have sex, that it is number two notches.
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#8
(12-20-2019, 12:56 AM)Smash Wrote: ^ Do you agree that if you have anal sex with a girl, the first time you have sex, that it is number two notches.

Only if she licks off your dick afterwards.
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#9
I’m starting to think the whole disease risk is over exaggerated and only applies to certain groups. It’s like taking a shower with a rain coat lol.
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#10
(12-20-2019, 01:55 AM)TheSignal Wrote: I’m starting to think the whole disease risk is over exaggerated and only applies to certain groups. It’s like taking a shower with a rain coat lol.

I often fuck without condoms but it's pretty stupid to think you'll never be cut down with an STD.
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#11
If you go raw in Japan enjoy your HPV since vaccination rates dropped to zero because of some pseudo science quack doctor who said the HPV vaccine was dangerous.

The only "risky" thing I'm willing to do is receive an unprotected bj (much safer than raw sex), leave the barebacking for a girl who is exclusive with you and is on birth control and tested.

If she does it raw with you, she probably did it with someone else too. A lot of STDs have up to 40-50% asymptomatic rate.
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#12
(12-20-2019, 12:40 AM)Suits Wrote:
(12-20-2019, 12:32 AM)Smash Wrote: ^ was it as traumatic for you as you make it sound? 

My parents are both 4's who have never slept with anyone other than each other (super obvious if you've ever met either of them) and were both 100% committed to staying together... I'm grateful every day that my dad wasn't some guy who had risky, unprotected sex with women he wasn't married to...

You have no way to know who they slept with. What makes you think your parents were always old and never fucked. And suppose your dad did fuck a hundred women, how would it affect you in any way? And if he couldn't fuck anyone other than his wife and they were both 4's, what makes you think you will fuck more than one woman in your life and what are you doing here if you feel fucking multiple women is immoral? You're a walking enigma lol.

(12-20-2019, 02:50 AM)Shifty Wrote: If you go raw in Japan enjoy your HPV since vaccination rates dropped to zero because of some pseudo science quack doctor who said the HPV vaccine was dangerous.

The only "risky" thing I'm willing to do is receive an unprotected bj (much safer than raw sex), leave the barebacking for a girl who is exclusive with you and is on birth control and tested.

If she does it raw with you, she probably did it with someone else too. A lot of STDs have up to 40-50% asymptomatic rate.
A condom won't protect you from hpv or herpes or any of several other std's like chlamydia and gonorrhea that you could get from the bj's. The hpv vaccine is ineffective, read about it a little, it only claims to offer partial protection against a limited number of hpv varieties, and the links with cervical cancer are not well established. And as a man you would never get cervical cancer. So sounds like a rip off to me, the Japanese aren't in bed with the US drug company that makes the vaccine, and their health care system is socialist and very low costs, so in Japan they don't have the same $$$ incentives that US doctors and politicians do to push an ineffective vaccine lol. You can never guarantee a girl is exclusive or on birth control or that tests are valid and timely. Any sexual activity with a chick is going to involve some risk, although the extent of the risk, and the effectiveness of efforts to mitigate the risk, are greatly exaggerated.
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#13
(12-20-2019, 03:11 AM)Mister Happy Wrote:
(12-20-2019, 02:50 AM)Shifty Wrote: If you go raw in Japan enjoy your HPV since vaccination rates dropped to zero because of some pseudo science quack doctor who said the HPV vaccine was dangerous.

The only "risky" thing I'm willing to do is receive an unprotected bj (much safer than raw sex), leave the barebacking for a girl who is exclusive with you and is on birth control and tested.

If she does it raw with you, she probably did it with someone else too. A lot of STDs have up to 40-50% asymptomatic rate.
A condom won't protect you from hpv or herpes or any of several other std's like chlamydia and gonorrhea that you could get from the bj's. The hpv vaccine is ineffective, read about it a little, it only claims to offer partial protection against a limited number of hpv varieties, and the links with cervical cancer are not well established. And as a man you would never get cervical cancer. So sounds like a rip off to me, the Japanese aren't in bed with the US drug company that makes the vaccine, and their health care system is socialist and very low costs, so in Japan they don't have the same $$$ incentives that US doctors and politicians do to push an ineffective vaccine lol. You can never guarantee a girl is exclusive or on birth control or that tests are valid and timely. Any sexual activity with a chick is going to involve some risk, although the extent of the risk, and the effectiveness of efforts to mitigate the risk, are greatly exaggerated.
Condom still reduces the risk greatly of hpv and herpes. Chlamydia and gonorhea are still a risk receiving a bj I admit that (But it is still lower).

Your anti vax argument is just plain wrong, cervical cancer rates are going down in the UK and Australia while they are going up in Japan, literally the entire world recommends the hpv vaccine for young girls and there was a media scare from a doctor with no evidence claiming it left people in wheelchairs and used pictures of fucked up mice to scare people. Japanese girls are scared of the birth control pill because they think it will leave them sterile, do you also agree with this?

As a man you won't get cervical cancer but you can still pass the strain that causes it to another girl , you can get genital warts, cancer in the throat for performing cunnilingus, the hpv vaccine reduces this risk by a lot.

It's not about eliminating risk but mitigating it, you still put your seat belt on when riding a car even though you can still die in a car crash wearing one.
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(12-20-2019, 03:31 AM)Shifty Wrote: Your anti vax argument is just plain wrong, cervical cancer rates are going down in the UK and Australia while they are going up in Japan
The connection between the vaccine and changes in cervical cancer rates are not well established. Which is why Japan, with a very advanced medical system, isn't using the vaccine.
(12-20-2019, 03:31 AM)Shifty Wrote: literally the entire world recommends the hpv vaccine for young girls and there was a media scare from a doctor with no evidence claiming it left people in wheelchairs and used pictures of fucked up mice to scare people.
Japan and other countries aren't. So not the whole world. Only parts of the world where kick backs from the vaccine makers cause lawmakers to make the vaccine required. I don't know anything about these pictures. The vaccine is ineffective, so no reason to take it, just like you wouldn't take aspirin if you don't have a headache.
(12-20-2019, 03:31 AM)Shifty Wrote: Japanese girls are scared of the birth control pill because they think it will leave them sterile, do you also agree with this?
The pill does have long-term effects on fertility, it also has unpleasant short-term side effects.
(12-20-2019, 03:31 AM)Shifty Wrote: As a man you won't get cervical cancer but you can still pass the strain that causes it to another girl , you can get genital warts, cancer in the throat for performing cunnilingus, the hpv vaccine reduces this risk by a lot.
The so-called connection between hpv and cervical cancer, and between the vaccine and cervical cancer, are not proven.
(12-20-2019, 03:31 AM)Shifty Wrote: It's not about eliminating risk but mitigating it, you still put your seat belt on when riding a car even though you can still die in a car crash wearing one.
There is really not strong evidence that the vaccine does anything, however even the vaccine manufactures admit it has side effects and they charge for it. So No point to pay for an ineffective vaccine or accept even minimal risks.
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#15
To address a couple of shiftys points... I’m proud to say that I have positively zero chance of developing throat cancer from hpv. I haven’t eaten a girl out in 11 years and I absolutely will never again.
I also never wear my seatbelt. One of the reasons I drive a 23 year old truck is because I respect that it doesn’t ding at me when I don’t wear my belt.
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(12-20-2019, 02:04 AM)churros Wrote:
(12-20-2019, 01:55 AM)TheSignal Wrote: I’m starting to think the whole disease risk is over exaggerated and only applies to certain groups. It’s like taking a shower with a rain coat lol.

I often fuck without condoms but it's pretty stupid to think you'll never be cut down with an STD.

It's a judgement call, never said I think that way. Generally I won't approach a girl that I think would require a condom. Plus you have to be unhealthy to get sick (disease) in the first place. There is so much misinformation on this topic I'm not surprised by the responses.
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#17
(12-20-2019, 03:40 AM)Mister Happy Wrote: anti vax- argument, anti-vax argument, etc.

The only reason the japanese goverment stopped recommending the vaccine was because of the media push by a quack doctor, they never claimed that it was proven to be dangerous. I really don't feel like having a vaccine argument in a game forum, but millions of girls are getting vaccinated for hpv every year and they are not developing brain cancer or being stuck in wheelchairs like that doctor claimed (with 0 evidence).

I actually got the vaccine 2 years ago, 3 shots over 6 months and 0 side effects. I'm now not worried about suddenly developing unpleasant warts around my dick too (Harmless but I doubt anyone wants to have warts on their junk).
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(12-20-2019, 04:03 AM)Smash Wrote: To address a couple of shiftys points... I’m proud to say that I have positively zero chance of developing throat cancer from hpv. I haven’t eaten a girl out in 11 years and I absolutely will never again.
I also never wear my seatbelt. One of the reasons I drive a 23 year old truck is because I respect that it doesn’t ding at me when I don’t wear my belt.

Yeah, I really don't believe Gardasil is going to make much positive difference in my life. I don't see how eating pussy could give you a wart in your throat, since your throat never touches the pussy. But I do see how if you were sucking dick or taking dick in your ass or something you might want it. So if all the women (and homos) supposedly at risk for cervical cancer, throat cancer, or anal cancer took Gardasil, and if Gardasil was actually effective in preventing transmission of warts, then men wouldn't get it either right lol. The fact is though Gardasil only claims in its own literature that it "might" "help" prevent transmission of nine HPV strains that "might" help reduce cervical and other cancers, and expressly states that other HPV strains might still cause these cancers. A whole lot of maybes and mights in there. It is also a new vaccine, we have no idea what the long-term effects could be yet. In all likelihood, new HPV strains will develop that are unaffected by Gardasil before we know what Gardasil does to us. So anyway if anyone is worried about getting throat cancer from throat to pussy contact during extreme oral, even though all these chicks are supposedly getting vaccinated for their own safety or wait maybe the chicks want us to get vaccinated to prevent them from getting cervical cancer, by all means get vaccinated.
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(12-20-2019, 04:12 AM)Shifty Wrote:
(12-20-2019, 03:40 AM)Mister Happy Wrote: anti vax- argument, anti-vax argument, etc.

I actually got the vaccine 2 years ago, 3 shots over 6 months and 0 side effects. I'm now not worried about suddenly developing unpleasant warts around my dick too (Harmless but I doubt anyone wants to have warts on their junk).

Big surprise. Enjoy. lol
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(12-20-2019, 04:12 AM)Shifty Wrote:
(12-20-2019, 03:40 AM)Mister Happy Wrote: anti vax- argument, anti-vax argument, etc.

The only reason the japanese goverment stopped recommending the vaccine was because of the media push by a quack doctor, they never claimed there was evidence that it was dangerous. I really don't feel like having a vaccine argument in a game forum, but millions of girls are getting vaccinated for hpv every year and they are not developing brain cancer or being stuck in wheelchairs like that doctor claimed (with 0 evidence).

I actually got the vaccine 2 years ago, 3 shots over 6 months and 0 side effects. I'm now not worried about suddenly developing unpleasant warts around my dick too (Harmless but I doubt anyone wants to have warts on their junk).
You can't read can you. You talked about mice and wheelchairs, not me, although any powerful drug should be avoided unless it is really necessary. I said it has not been shown to be effective for the reasons that it is being pushed. Just go read the Gardasil literature, they describe the side effects. Read where the drug claims to be effective for 10 years. That is an extremely powerful drug with long lasting effects and we don't know what it does in the long term (the manufacturers of Gardasil also made the anthrax vaccines which fucked up a lot of people). Plus I am not at risk for cervical cancer, the biggest justification the government has for pushing it. You have already taken a very new basically experimental drug in order to make the world safe for women and they will now spread their legs for you lol. So I guess it was all worth it to be a guinea pig.
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