"My exposé of a ‘seduction bootcamp’ - BBC News"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTh4s_tlrHA







Looks like sjw are coming down hard on pua.
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#2
I'd hate to be a straight male living in the UK. It has hopelessly succumbed to SJW-ism. Imagine trying to lead a normal straight male life without being constantly shamed, harassed, and canceled.
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(10-16-2019, 02:59 PM)questing1970 Wrote: I'd hate to be a straight male living in the UK. It has hopelessly succumbed to SJW-ism. Imagine trying to lead a normal straight male life without being constantly shamed, harassed, and canceled.

How is the united states any better?
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(10-16-2019, 06:15 PM)Toles Wrote:
(10-16-2019, 02:59 PM)questing1970 Wrote: I'd hate to be a straight male living in the UK.  It has hopelessly succumbed to SJW-ism.  Imagine trying to lead a normal straight male life without being constantly shamed, harassed, and canceled.

How is the united states any better?



We haven't yet stooped to the above level of overt social programming, but it's on its way (think Gillette ad ad a shot across the bow or the current issue of GQ).  But the above video and things like Mums Make Porn in the UK are next-level clown-world.  Plus I'm not aware of any Dave Chappelle types trying to push back over there. I get the sense that the populace in the UK are frogs that have all boiled in the pot already whereas here it's more of an active culture-war.
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(10-16-2019, 06:15 PM)Toles Wrote:
(10-16-2019, 02:59 PM)questing1970 Wrote: I'd hate to be a straight male living in the UK.  It has hopelessly succumbed to SJW-ism.  Imagine trying to lead a normal straight male life without being constantly shamed, harassed, and canceled.

How is the united states any better?

It is contingent on where you live.  Some places are bearable and others are a fukton worse.
Formerly known as Bluto.
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#6
The big cities where a lot of media/tech jobs are in the UK (parts of London & Manchester in particular) are very bad for SJW nonsense. The BBC is genuinely awful for it, theres so much virtue signalling going on there constantly. I don't know if its worse than NYC, but its at least on par with it. Definitely a lot worse than large parts of the US.

The more rural areas, or even smaller regional cities, are much more reasonable in my experience. Places 'Up North' (apart from Manchester) are still very macho.
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#7
I'm glad that instructors are going out of business. No one should be making money off game in my opinion. Shame we're all getting tarred with the same brush for doing approaches.
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#8
Seeking to "sell game" was the result of men wanting to turn pursuing women into a lifestyle. That's an inherently bad idea, because it's a completely unbalanced approach to life.

Even if a "game instructor" did maintain a balanced lifestyle outside of work hours, his entirely public identity would be wrapped up in his ability to seduce women.

It's a lot like being a stock-market investor who is known for beating the market. Failing to continue to do so will take away your credibility.

It's a treadmill lifestyle that you can't ever really win at.
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#9
Im glad these clowns are being put out of business or behind bars.

Lets be honest. These were camps where IRTs and other inferior men paid for the right to hassle blondes in the street . A borderline scam for them, and for the rest of us it increased bitch shields significantly.

This may be an SJW witchhunt but its still a win in my book.
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(10-17-2019, 05:28 PM)churros Wrote: I'm glad that instructors are going out of business. No one should be making money off game in my opinion. Shame we're all getting tarred with the same brush for doing approaches.

I think this is ridiculous. 

Do you think speech therapists should be paid? How about acting coaches, music teachers, personal trainers, etc?

They're teaching men a valuable skill set, how is that not worthy of making money?

I'll challenge you on this. Go find a severely uncalibrated, socially inept guy and teach him how to get girls consistently. Then come back here and say it's not worth something in return. 

The reason I say this is because I've done that. I took some chump from being complete shit with women to being above average, got paid nothing in return and I'll never do it again. I don't teach game, but the guys that do it well and get results for people deserve to get paid.
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#11
How the hell are we conflating flirtation and harrassment?  This a symptom of our times.  Let us remember, that in some places women actually like attention!  They like being seduced, and they really like getting fucked. I hate the word "game"  It implies that we are somehow tricking women into the sack. Seduction is about them wanting to do it, and us getting them to that place. I've been with many women who I felt some reticence near the end, and I asked them straight out if they really wanted to do it. If I felt they were genuine, I would always stop. Now of course many times they said stop as part of the whole thing, and it quickly escalated again. Pushing a girl for sex when she genuinely is against it is gross, and debases ourselves. True seduction is getting them to want us 100%, and feeling great about it after.

As a sidenote, I now live in a place in the United States where young women sneer at you for even saying hello. I have heard them say its "creepy".  Welcome to america
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#12
This is having ripple effects

RSD (Tyler, Max, Luke, Jeffy, Madison, etc..) has been pivoting and deleting stuff since the CNN thing, but it accelerated in the recent few months and all their stuff seems to be gone now. Their forum was gone about a year ago, and the RSD local facebook groups have been gone about a year.

Honest Signals
Tom Torero
Street Attraction
Squattin Casanova
Bradicus
Daniel Blake
Austen Summers

James Marshall has pivoted.
Simple Pick Up pivoted
Viking Lifestyle pivoted

Roosh went Christian, Roissy is out the game.


Infield footage is growing scarce.

WIA
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#13
(10-18-2019, 02:49 AM)k pop Wrote: How the hell are we conflating flirtation and harrassment?  This a symptom of our times.  Let us remember, that in some places women actually like attention!  They like being seduced, and they really like getting fucked. I hate the word "game"  It implies that we are somehow tricking women into the sack. Seduction is about them wanting to do it, and us getting them to that place. I've been with many women who I felt some reticence near the end, and I asked them straight out if they really wanted to do it. If I felt they were genuine, I would always stop. Now of course many times they said stop as part of the whole thing, and it quickly escalated again. Pushing a girl for sex when she genuinely is against it is gross, and debases ourselves. True seduction is getting them to want us 100%, and feeling great about it after.

As a sidenote, I now live in a place in the United States where young women sneer at you for even saying hello. I have heard them say its "creepy".  Welcome to america

The problem is a lot of these bootcamps were essentially hordes of socially retarded, ugly, guys spam approaching girls. Thats how you get harassment claims.

Loads of the "PUA Instructors" essentially took a machine gun approach to success: if you approach 100 girls in a day, and 99 say no, but 1 gives you her number...success! The problem with that is when you have lots of guys in a city doing that it quickly destroys girl's attitudes. Bitch shields go up, approaching is seen as "creepy", and harassment claims and negative media coverage follow.

If the guys on the bootcamps were taught to make themselves attractive enough to get random women checking them out regularly, and then taught to approach girls that actually gave them IOIs it would both make harassment claims far less likely, and reduce the damage to the local area's dating scene. But that would involve a much slower, harder to teach bootcamp, with no "INSTANT RESULTS", so its not what happened.
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(10-18-2019, 10:32 AM)zatara Wrote: The problem is a lot of these bootcamps were essentially hordes of socially retarded, ugly, guys spam approaching girls. Thats how you get harassment claims.

Loads of the "PUA Instructors" essentially took a machine gun approach to success: if you approach 100 girls in a day, and 99 say no, but 1 gives you her number...success! The problem with that is when you have lots of guys in a city doing that it quickly destroys girl's attitudes. Bitch shields go up, approaching is seen as "creepy", and harassment claims and negative media coverage follow.

If the guys on the bootcamps were taught to make themselves attractive enough to get random women checking them out regularly, and then taught to approach girls that actually gave them IOIs it would both make harassment claims far less likely, and reduce the damage to the local area's dating scene. But that would involve a much slower, harder to teach bootcamp, with no "INSTANT RESULTS", so its not what happened.

You're really doing someone a disservice by giving them a "boot-camp" that strictly teaches game techniques. At the end of the day, only unhealthy men want to simply get laid and will find satisfaction in doing so.

Healthy men want to be genuinely liked by others and desirable to women. They find satisfaction in genuine human connections. After racking up a number of notches using game technique, they'll prefer to establish mutually satisfying long term relationships with women they actually appreciate, rather than treating sexuality like a game.

A singularly focused effort to learn game techniques goes in the wrong direction. If you aren't attracting women you meet through normal daily interactions, you're not yet the person you want to be. Focusing exclusively on learning game techniques leads to one-night-stands that quickly fizzle up next to a person and neither of you wants to even look at the other. But being able to get those lays will forestall your actually full-person self-improvement development.

Don't put together outfits designed for going out to sarg at the club. Build a wardrobe that reflects you and makes you feel good. Become knowledgeable about style and related forms of self-expression. Being able to talk about these things because they interest you.

Learn how to flirt and banter because it's fun. Have fun doing it. Don't treat it as a mechanical prescription to breaking down a girl's defenses and building instantaneous attraction.

Do things that you enjoy doing for their own worth. When you meet a girl you like, invite her along. If she flakes on you, who gives a fuck? You always go ax-throwing on Tuesday discount night whether you have a companion with you or not.

Create a home that is a place you want to live. Don't put pictures of Paris up on the wall, because someone told you it gets women hot and bothered, unless you like pictures of Paris on your wall. Preferably, develop into a person with actual personal tastes that will intrigue and interest others, but do it because you enjoy the process and it fulfils you.

There actually are shortcuts to attracting women, but they don't seem to leave anyone satisfied for very long. But doing the hard-work of self-improvement will lead to self-satisfaction (where you feel no reason to prove yourself to anyone) and becoming an attractive man when if comes to the women.

*I should note that it's still not bad to understand the underlying principles of game, because something needs to undo the blue-pill lies of our generation when in comes to men, women, attraction and sex. However, don't treat it as a manual for actual interactions.
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#15
The problem is the infield videos on Youtube. That's all it is. You can still teach pickup and plenty of dudes are still doing it. Ironically it seems to be a lot of the old school guys still in the game or coming back. Mystery is back and doing boot camps in Kiev and other places around the world. Alan Roger Currie is still on Youtube and Patreon.

And probably the best example is Wayne Elise (Juggler). He teaches 2 day verbal boot camps in the biggest SJW cities in the world and gets absolutely ZERO heat.

Check out the cities he's teaching in:

Toronto:
Oct 26-27th

London:
Nov 2-3rd

LA:
Nov 16-17th

NY:
Dec 7-8th

Austin:
Dec 14-15th

San Fran:
Jan 4-5th

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I believe you have to be really careful about teaching pickup in this day. It's much safer to teach verbal seduction skills and smoothness than caveman type of shit. I almost never physically escalate on girls anymore until we're back at my place.

You'll never go to jail for just talking to girls. Don't video tape them unless it's for your own personal feedback. Don't touch her before she touches you, if she's clearly not into you walk away, etc and you'll never end up on a fuckin bbc documentary.
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#16
(10-18-2019, 02:46 PM)Suits Wrote:
(10-18-2019, 10:32 AM)zatara Wrote: The problem is a lot of these bootcamps were essentially hordes of socially retarded, ugly, guys spam approaching girls. Thats how you get harassment claims.

Loads of the "PUA Instructors" essentially took a machine gun approach to success: if you approach 100 girls in a day, and 99 say no, but 1 gives you her number...success! The problem with that is when you have lots of guys in a city doing that it quickly destroys girl's attitudes. Bitch shields go up, approaching is seen as "creepy", and harassment claims and negative media coverage follow.

If the guys on the bootcamps were taught to make themselves attractive enough to get random women checking them out regularly, and then taught to approach girls that actually gave them IOIs it would both make harassment claims far less likely, and reduce the damage to the local area's dating scene. But that would involve a much slower, harder to teach bootcamp, with no "INSTANT RESULTS", so its not what happened.

You're really doing someone a disservice by giving them a "boot-camp" that strictly teaches game techniques. At the end of the day, only unhealthy men want to simply get laid and will find satisfaction in doing so.

Healthy men want to be genuinely liked by others and desirable to women. They find satisfaction in genuine human connections. After racking up a number of notches using game technique, they'll prefer to establish mutually satisfying long term relationships with women they actually appreciate, rather than treating sexuality like a game.

A singularly focused effort to learn game techniques goes in the wrong direction. If you aren't attracting women you meet through normal daily interactions, you're not yet the person you want to be. Focusing exclusively on learning game techniques leads to one-night-stands that quickly fizzle up next to a person and neither of you wants to even look at the other. But being able to get those lays will forestall your actually full-person self-improvement development.

Don't put together outfits designed for going out to sarg at the club. Build a wardrobe that reflects you and makes you feel good. Become knowledgeable about style and related forms of self-expression. Being able to talk about these things because they interest you.

Learn how to flirt and banter because it's fun. Have fun doing it. Don't treat it as a mechanical prescription to breaking down a girl's defenses and building instantaneous attraction.

Do things that you enjoy doing for their own worth. When you meet a girl you like, invite her along. If she flakes on you, who gives a fuck? You always go ax-throwing on Tuesday discount night whether you have a companion with you or not.

Create a home that is a place you want to live. Don't put pictures of Paris up on the wall, because someone told you it gets women hot and bothered, unless you like pictures of Paris on your wall. Preferably, develop into a person with actual personal tastes that will intrigue and interest others, but do it because you enjoy the process and it fulfils you.

There actually are shortcuts to attracting women, but they don't seem to leave anyone satisfied for very long. But doing the hard-work of self-improvement will lead to self-satisfaction (where you feel no reason to prove yourself to anyone) and becoming an attractive man when if comes to the women.

*I should note that it's still not bad to understand the underlying principles of game, because something needs to undo the blue-pill lies of our generation when in comes to men, women, attraction and sex. However, don't treat it as a manual for actual interactions.

Back in the day, most men went to actual Boot Camp.  They would learn cool things like "How not to get lost in the woods," or "How to shoot a weapon," etc.  This would normally take 6 to 8 weeks, and you would be a lot more physically fit than when you started, not to mention very tidy. Of course you ended up with a day job that did not pay well and made you get up very early, but free food, clothing, housing, and education.  So the only thing that you spent money on was booze and pussy, and you generally have a few buddies to hang out with on the weekends.  Some of these buddies may be able to help you talk to girls, and tell you what to look for, but using their own words.  These actual boot camps did a hell of a lot more to get you laid than anything that these assholes are teaching you.

These "Boot Camp's" to teach modern men game always made me chuckle, and reading "The Game" should show that to anyone with a critical eye of them.    Both of you are right, developing a better lifestyle that makes you attractive to women takes a long time and requires hard work and discipline.  Anyone who is telling you otherwise is selling you snake oil.  This is the reason why I liked the game material from Roosh, W. Anton, and WIA, instead of these PUA Boot Camp jerkoff's who think a weekend workshop is all that a guy needs to get laid.
Formerly known as Bluto.
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#17
Bluto, I think teaching someone to get laid in a weekend is obviously possible. Someone like Warren Buffet could teach you how to invest in a weekend. Laurie Grenier could teach you how to get a product on qvc in 2 days.

It's all about what you do with the information after you receive it. The biggest thing is awareness or lack of. Most guys are just unaware of what is actually going on or what to do.

I can teach someone the entire rules to getting laid in a few sentences

1. Have really loose and smooth body language. Feldenkrais Method is the absolute best for this. Fuck yoga, fuck stretching, fuck alexander method. Feldenkrais is the best, it takes 25-30 mins a session and anyone can do it. Zero risk of injury.

2. Slow down and have power in your voice. Download Roger Love voice on thepiratebay. There's a 15 min practice tape on there. Use it daily for 90 days. It's things like Gug gug gug gug gug gug gug.... Goog goog goog goog goog, gug gug gug gug gug, etc

3. Nofap

4. Workout at the very least pushups

5. Go out at night, look around. Now dress better than 90% of the people you saw. Get new clothes if needed

6. Be hygenic. Groom pubes, use tongue scraper, mouth wash, skin lotion, smell good, etc

7. Be present. Read the Practicing the Power of Now. The future is just a bunch of probabilities. Stop trying to be a fortune teller and just take action in the moment.

8. You're better than her. Men are better than women. You actually have to work on yourself and make yourself a likable person to be considered fuckable by quality girls. They don't have to do shit other than look good. So always remember you are better. Screen for personalities, looks are a given.

9. Play the question game with her. Tell her these are the rules: Rule 1. Ask any question you want no matter what. Rule 2. You must answer every question completely honestly. Rule 3. You can't ask the same questions I've asked and vice versa. Rule 4. You start.

10. Give her validation on the things that are special to her.

11. It's a numbers game. Have fun and the numbers are better.

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One guy will take that information and become the best they can be.

Another guy will read it and go back to pornhub to jerk off. Tomorrow he'll be back again asking how to get laid.

Both guys have the same information.
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#18
(10-18-2019, 02:46 PM)Suits Wrote: You're really doing someone a disservice by giving them a "boot-camp" that strictly teaches game techniques. At the end of the day, only unhealthy men want to simply get laid and will find satisfaction in doing so.

Healthy men want to be genuinely liked by others and desirable to women. They find satisfaction in genuine human connections. After racking up a number of notches using game technique, they'll prefer to establish mutually satisfying long term relationships with women they actually appreciate, rather than treating sexuality like a game.

A singularly focused effort to learn game techniques goes in the wrong direction. If you aren't attracting women you meet through normal daily interactions, you're not yet the person you want to be. Focusing exclusively on learning game techniques leads to one-night-stands that quickly fizzle up next to a person and neither of you wants to even look at the other. But being able to get those lays will forestall your actually full-person self-improvement development.

Don't put together outfits designed for going out to sarg at the club. Build a wardrobe that reflects you and makes you feel good. Become knowledgeable about style and related forms of self-expression. Being able to talk about these things because they interest you.

Learn how to flirt and banter because it's fun. Have fun doing it. Don't treat it as a mechanical prescription to breaking down a girl's defenses and building instantaneous attraction.

Do things that you enjoy doing for their own worth. When you meet a girl you like, invite her along. If she flakes on you, who gives a fuck? You always go ax-throwing on Tuesday discount night whether you have a companion with you or not.

Create a home that is a place you want to live. Don't put pictures of Paris up on the wall, because someone told you it gets women hot and bothered, unless you like pictures of Paris on your wall. Preferably, develop into a person with actual personal tastes that will intrigue and interest others, but do it because you enjoy the process and it fulfils you.

There actually are shortcuts to attracting women, but they don't seem to leave anyone satisfied for very long. But doing the hard-work of self-improvement will lead to self-satisfaction (where you feel no reason to prove yourself to anyone) and becoming an attractive man when if comes to the women.

*I should note that it's still not bad to understand the underlying principles of game, because something needs to undo the blue-pill lies of our generation when in comes to men, women, attraction and sex. However, don't treat it as a manual for actual interactions.

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(10-18-2019, 10:49 PM)captain_shane Wrote: Bluto, I think teaching someone to get laid in a weekend is obviously possible. Someone like Warren Buffet could teach you how to invest in a weekend. Laurie Grenier could teach you how to get a product on qvc in 2 days.

It's all about what you do with the information after you receive it. The biggest thing is awareness or lack of. Most guys are just unaware of what is actually going on or what to do.

I can teach someone the entire rules to getting laid in a few sentences

1. Have really loose and smooth body language. Feldenkrais Method is the absolute best for this. Fuck yoga, fuck stretching, fuck alexander method. Feldenkrais is the best, it takes 25-30 mins a session and anyone can do it. Zero risk of injury.

2. Slow down and have power in your voice. Download Roger Love voice on thepiratebay. There's a 15 min practice tape on there. Use it daily for 90 days. It's things like Gug gug gug gug gug gug gug.... Goog goog goog goog goog, gug gug gug gug gug, etc

3. Nofap

4. Workout at the very least pushups

5. Go out at night, look around. Now dress better than 90% of the people you saw. Get new clothes if needed

6. Be hygenic. Groom pubes, use tongue scraper, mouth wash, skin lotion, smell good, etc

7. Be present. Read the Practicing the Power of Now. The future is just a bunch of probabilities. Stop trying to be a fortune teller and just take action in the moment.

8. You're better than her. Men are better than women. You actually have to work on yourself and make yourself a likable person to be considered fuckable by quality girls. They don't have to do shit other than look good. So always remember you are better. Screen for personalities, looks are a given.

9. Play the question game with her. Tell her these are the rules:  Rule 1. Ask any question you want no matter what. Rule 2. You must answer every question completely honestly. Rule 3. You can't ask the same questions I've asked and vice versa. Rule 4. You start.

10. Give her validation on the things that are special to her.

11. It's a numbers game. Have fun and the numbers are better.

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One guy will take that information and become the best they can be.

Another guy will read it and go back to pornhub to jerk off. Tomorrow he'll be back again asking how to get laid.

Both guys have the same information.

I agree that these rules are the basic framework and a good start, however most of the above bullet points takes work and discipline to develop, like any other skill.  After you are proficient in these basics, there is more that you can and should learn.  You can't start this regimen on a Monday and be expecting to be going through a box of Trojans that Friday night.  That is the difference between the two guys, one is looking for that easy out, and the other realizes that it takes longer than that.  The PUA types generally end up selling the easy way that is IMHO very situational, or just does not work. My two cents as always.
Formerly known as Bluto.
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#20
This guy must be a RVF'er. Doing pua videos out of eastern europe. His ads are taking over my youtube feed lol

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRd3w_P...SaGD4oqlOg
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