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#21
I posted this over at Happier Abroad, but since the topic of working visa residency in Ukraine comes up frequently, and this is the clearest discussion of the topic I've seen so far, I thought worth reposting here.

Two things I noted in a previous post in that thread at HA. First, the lawyer's fee may include bribes to bureaucrats to speed things up. Since the lawyer doesn't discuss anything illegal with you, you're not on the hook if he gets in trouble. That is always how bribes should be done: though a local lawyer so you can play dumb and innocent if the bribe goes wrong.

Second, with a working visa as employee of your own company. you can also easily work for other companies. Instead of being employee of the other company, your company simply contracts to deliver services (your on-site labor) to the other company. This makes it much easier to get a job in Ukraine, since employee visas are a lot of expense and trouble. Also, because it's just a contract between companies, you can start work the next day. If the other company decides they no longer want your services, no problem, they just terminate the contract and your visa situation is unaffected.

Posted in the expats in Ukraine group of Facebook by Tasos Tsiamis (not sure what happened to Step 3, probably a typo):

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COST-RULES-STEPS FOR OPENING LLC COMPANY IN UKRAINE AND GET WORK PERMIT AND PERMISSION FOR LIVING FOR 3 YEARS.....

The most important is that you must be legal in Ukraine when we will start all the process.... If you can't come to UKRAINE, then you can send us a power of attorney so we will do all the process for you. The steps are the following :

1.Translation of your passport to Ukrainian language. 3 copies are necessary. It needs 1 day.

2. Issue of a tax code number. It needs 4 days to be ready.

4. Open and register a LLC company in your name. It needs 1 day.

5. The company will ask from the employment center to issue for you a work permit for 3 years. It needs 8 days to be ready.

6. When the work permit is ready, with all the needed documents you will fly out of Ukraine in any Ukrainian embassy in order to get a visaD-04 (from 26 of June you can get the visaD in Ukraine from the ministry of foreign affairs if you have passport from a country that is under the 90/180 days free visa rule). The cost of the visaD-04 its not the same for every country and I can't know how much it will cost. You must ask the Ukrainian embassy in your country.

7. With the visaD-04 you will return to Kiev and we will go to the immigration office to issue for you a permission for living for 3 years. It needs 20-25 days to be ready.

8. After you will get the permission for living, you have 30 days to register yourself in a house address.

The cost for all this is 1.500$ + the cost of the visaD-04. The price includes the opening of bank account, stamp, electronic key for the tax office. The price does not include the cost of the company address and the house address registration, in case you don't have your own.

The cost for the company address (if you don't have your own) is 100€ euro per year.

The cost for the house address is 200$.

When you will open the company, you will be the director of the company. You must pay to yourself salary. The minimum salary is 4.500 UAH per month. From this amount you will pay 41% for taxes and pension. Its around 70$ per month ($840 per year) and you will be totally legal.

The company should not pay any taxes if it does not have any activities and income. If the company will have income then you will pay 5% of the total income or 18% of your profit.

We will choose what is the best way for you. I hope that I wrote everything clear. If you have any questions, I will be glad to help you. For more information feel free to pm me.
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Visa 4D from step 6 for work visa is $182 for USA, $802 for United Kingdom, $150 Canada, $385 Australia, nothing shown for New Zealand. Click on visa fees option here: https://mfa.gov.ua/en/consular-affairs/con/visa

So $1500 to lawyer to set everything up for 3 years (certified translation, filing fees, lawyer's fees) plus $182 visa fee for USA (different for other countries), then $840 taxes per year, $100 for company address per year, $200 for home address per year. Total of about $1701 per year over 3 year period.

If you did everything yourself, you would still have the $840 taxes per year plus fees for certified translation of passport to Ukrainian language, notary fees, filling fees, visa fee. Probably could get cost to maybe $1000 per year with help of Ukrainian girlfriend working for free and providing addresses. But still way above those estimates Contrarian Expatriate gave.

I think it's a bad idea to get visa through excessive help of girlfriend, because now you are tied to her. If things fall apart with her, you can't use her address any more, for example. It's also penny wise pound foolish for someone with plenty of money, like Contrarian Expatriate, to subject himself and the girlfriend to a huge amount of frustration and standing in line just to save $700 per year. Dealing with Ukraine bureaucracy enough to cause a breakup with the girlfriend right there, unless both of you have lots of patience. Also, most of the $1500 to the lawyer is profit, and you are now a valued customer, so you can expect that lawyer to be quick to offer services for any other problems you have in Ukraine, including problems with the girlfriend. Whereas if you try to save money by doing it alone, you miss out on this opportunity to build a good long-term working relationship with a lawyer.

I eventually plan to get residency by the above method in Ukraine, and $1701 per year cost will be partially offset by savings on round trip flight between Europe and the United States each year (cost $633 in 2019). But right now it's not worth the hassle and expense to me, because right now at most I would stay an extra month in Ukraine above what I am allowed using a tourist visa.
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#22
Kyiv - mid may/sept is a great time to go. there is a beach near river with girls in bikinis
your more likely to meet golddiggers online that anywhere else. also the quality is lower. worth doing tinder but those ukrainiancupid websites id be cautious of the womens intensions. 
basically like anywhere if your an inexperienced, nieve unawareless bounadaryless weak guy your more likely to get fucked over.
the women of Kyiv generally don't leave. the minimum wage is average of $100 a month so they cant afford to move to other places. although some ukrainians move to warsaw. 
apart from girls it cant be very boring. e.g things to do and see unless you like statues lol. 

Odessa - visit in mid july/aug time. there are more goldiggers here so be more aware. 
bring google translator some girls don't speak English.
have an apartment in arcadia that's where most daygame.nightgame, beachgame is concentrated. 
Ibiza is the best most popular club 20 euro entry but the 9s in groups are the hardest to game be prepared for harsh rejections if your going for the hottest girls in the club.

lviv - don't speak Russian they don't like it. they want you to speak Ukrainian. 
you need time, like a month here if you want many results. 
tinder is easiest way to get laid cheating milfs online but...quality is 6 or below.
be carful if approaching women on the street at night if lucks not on your side the bf wont hesitate to punch you. my experience. approach in the main square.
its very small city so might get bored quickly
the mall isn't that great the ocassionaly girl tho. has a cinema upstairs.
a lot of security in the mall so can be intimidating to approach a lot. approach inside the shops and don't spam approach pick the hottest you see. then leave and come back later to approach. e.g don't do 20 approaches at once or you might find security kick you out.
many places to idate/day2s cafes, bars etc. 

if you take the train from lviv to kharkiv, take food and drink. I forget and wasn't pleasant 19 hour journey.


kharkiv - june was a great time to visit. they don't care if you speak Russian. use google translator. girls can go home with you off the street at night. be carful with the traffic. some cars wont stop at red lights, make sure cars are coming before crossing. obvious but 7 people were killed by a speeding car at  a crossing the week before I arrived.
has a amusement park with rides, great for taking a girl to, 2nd, 3rd, date not the 1st,.
sumska street is the main street for daygame. 
from the bottom to universytet is the best metro to stand outside of has the best flow of women. also outside the main kharkiv train station is a good flow.

get a Ukrainian sim card
food is cheap

id personally do

lviv -1 month
kharkiv - 2 months
Odessa 6week -2months
Kyiv - 1month


with online game the red flags are a women wants to meet you at a restaurant DONT! you lead you choose the place. she wants you to pay for the taxi. if its more than 50 shes conning you, as one I was gonna meet wanted 500. so that's 10 x more than normal so I didn't meet her.
take a girl for a coffee and then 1 cocktail. don't flash your cash or let her know you have money.

for girls Ukraine is very hard to beat but...as a city to live it can be dull boring serious cold vibe. I wouldn't live there id only go to game but then again some people do e.g rsd max 

good luck Wink
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#23
My opinion of Ukraine is limited to Kiev.
I always got good results in Kiev through online dating. Tinder and Bumble are the app I use the most. If you want a shot with real quality girls the most important thing is to appear loaded. I guess you already knew it if you've already been there. The selection of pics is really important. Instagram is also very useful for showing high status and showing status is always better than talking about it.
Most of the hot girls you'll meet in Kiev have a somewhat golddigger mentality and expect you to pay for fine dates. So you better don't follow the "cheap dates" rule that Roosh advocated on his book or forget the best girls.
Some guys I know meet girls by offering photoshoots to them and I can say at least one of them I know is very successful.
Another guy I met has opened a model agency in Kiev and through it he meet the hottest girls. He eventually started dating one of them

I'm not a fan of the nightlife in Kiev, it definitely revolves around bottle services and is full of escort and girls looking for a sponsor. There are better strategies (in my opinion) to score with hot girls in Kiev than to splash out lots of money on bottle service. Clubs' logistics aren't great either.
Can't talk about daygame, it's not my thing and never did it.

Through my travels I met quite a lot of people who grew dissatisfied of Kiev and left because they missed the old times but I do think it's still good even though the best days are over.
Just don't be a cheap ass, avoid scam places and always try to be realistic.
It's probably one of the very few places left on Earth where you can meet and bang very hot girls without being a rich millionaire, a super model or a famous athlete.
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#24
One thing I should clarify, regarding getting a work visa via your own company. The $840 taxes is on your wages. Tax is high because Ukraine expects foreigners on work visas to have high salaries, like $1000/month or whatever. Ukraine not interested in importing unskilled workers, in other words. If you are actually working in Ukraine, and earning such a high salary, either doing location independent work or working for another company in Ukraine using a service contact between your company and the other company, then you would be paying that $840 in taxes anyway. So this makes net cost of starting your own company to get a work visa under $1000 per year using that lawyer I mentioned, and under $200 if you do everything yourself with the assistance of a girlfriend.

I overlooked this because I'm retired and have no plans to ever work again myself.
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#25
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If you want a shot with real quality girls the most important thing is to appear loaded.

gotta disagree. if you appear loaded your more likely attract the golddigger types and women think of you as the provider not the lover this is universal. 

Most of the hot girls you'll meet in Kiev have a somewhat golddigger mentality

again i disagree women never wanted money from me but... you do pay for dates. not fine dates.
e.g took hot girls from street to café for a coffee. very cheap
e.g took girl from street for 1 cocktail then back to my apartment for red wine and strawberries. red wine cost less than $5 a bottle. strawberries $2 max. 
girls expect you to pay for dates, drinks. its not a gold digger mentality its just the way things are out there same if you go Russia. but wouldn't recommend buying dinner til after you've slept with her. just 1 or 2 drinks per date is enough. 3rd drink would be at your or her place.

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#26
Water cut off again in the building where I'm living here in Kyiv. Supposedly, communal services, including water, controlled by some jerk who also lives in the building and occasionally flexes his power just to teach everyone a lesson. Or at least that's what I gathered from talking to another resident, a woman: "He's a sick man. Very sick in the head." I have 20 years and over 2000 nights of camping experience, mostly in dry climates, so easy for me to manage, other than washing clothes. Problem should eventually resolve itself.

This just goes to show the madness of buying property in foreign countries, regardless of how cheap it is. If you think HOAs (homeowner associations) are bad in the USA, wait until you have to deal with one where you can't even speak the local language fluently, aren't familiar with the local legal system, might not be a full-time resident so you have to hire a proxy to attend meetings when you're away, etc. Imagine owning an apartment in a building like this in Kyiv with some crazy guy cutting off water, heat or electricity whether he feels like it.

Same thing with these guys who go on those $5000 wife hunting tours to Mykolaiv and marry some overweight single mother in their 30's who they met two days ago and haven't even had sex with yet. Or people even back in the USA buying lifetime time shares in some vacation resort they just arrived at two days ago.

Especially the first few days of travel, and even more especially if you're not used to traveling, be conscious that your mind is not functionally normally, so beware of making long term decisions. Just enjoy the moment. Pay for one day at time at the hotel. Maintain flexibility until the giddiness passes.
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#27
(06-29-2019, 09:49 AM)shemp Wrote: Water cut off again in the building where I'm living here in Kyiv. Supposedly, communal services, including water, controlled by some jerk who also lives in the building and occasionally flexes his power just to teach everyone a lesson. Or at least that's what I gathered from talking to another resident, a woman: "He's a sick man. Very sick in the head." I have 20 years and over 2000 nights of camping experience, mostly in dry climates, so easy for me to manage, other than washing clothes. Problem should eventually resolve itself.

This just goes to show the madness of buying property in foreign countries, regardless of how cheap it is. If you think HOAs (homeowner associations) are bad in the USA, wait until you have to deal with one where you can't even speak the local language fluently, aren't familiar with the local legal system, might not be a full-time resident so you have to hire a proxy to attend meetings when you're away, etc. Imagine owning an apartment in a building like this in Kyiv with some crazy guy cutting off water, heat or electricity whether he feels like it.

Same thing with these guys who go on those $5000 wife hunting tours to Mykolaiv and marry some overweight single mother in their 30's who they met two days ago and haven't even had sex with yet. Or people even back in the USA buying lifetime time shares in some vacation resort they just arrived at two days ago.

Especially the first few days of travel, and even more especially if you're not used to traveling, be conscious that your mind is not functionally normally, so beware of making long term decisions. Just enjoy the moment. Pay for one day at time at the hotel. Maintain flexibility until the giddiness passes.

idealling before moving to any city perminatley. you live there for minimum of 3-6months to get a feel of the place. 
I usually go to an unknown city for 2-3weeks first. if I like/love it il return for 2-3months. then if still love it 6months etc.
its one thing going to a place for few weeks its another living there perminatley. e.g going there in summer but not experiencing there winters. or if you got the money you can live there in spring/summer/fall and live somewhere else in winter.

also you can make friends with girls off tinder. if they speak English they can help you out.
e.g I was in kharkiv and had a random stray dog in the hallway for 3days. I message the tinder girl and she called up a dog rescue place to come get it. Ukrainian girls can be very helpful and kind.
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#28
Just arrived in Kiev. Staying walking distance to Maidan if any players want to wing. I’ll be here for 1 Month. 39 Yo from US but speak no Russian language . Private message if your down meet up.
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#29
I gotta take back what I wrote in my last review. Just got back from Kiev and honestly I think the place is at this point ruined. It's very difficult to bang hot girls unless you have a local business in there (like a model agency) or have local connections. Still plenty of hot girls around but it's definitely not as easy as it was before and girls got more pretentious and nasty in their attitudes (honestly I found Kiev's girls to be more pretentious and rude than Moscow's girls and this alone shows how bad non stop sex tourism can be to a city) .

There are definitely much better places in EE in 2019, not as ruined as Kiev, and you probably already know what I'm talking about.
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#30
(02-08-2017, 08:33 PM)L\innovateur Wrote: - Russian skills are required!!!

It definitely helped smoothed things out but it would separate you from all the foreigners who can't speak Russian/Ukrainian.

(06-12-2019, 06:00 PM)Originale Wrote: I'm not a fan of the nightlife in Kiev, it definitely revolves around bottle services and is full of escort and girls looking for a sponsor. There are better strategies (in my opinion) to score with hot girls in Kiev than to splash out lots of money on bottle service. Clubs' logistics aren't great either.
Can't talk about daygame, it's not my thing and never did it.

There are normal bars and clubs where Ukrainian and foreign guys will try to pick up girls here like anywhere else in the world.
Scoring a quick lay still happens and while it does not happen often, you have to monitor their behaviour and other unusual signs very carefully and be prepared to break off.

Some drivers took their time navigating to the venue when using Uber otherwise taking her back to my place worked normally.

I expected something crazy like 1 PUA per 100 square metre in the city center but there were some present here and then.

Kiev is an infamous daygame mecca but be prepared for the harshest reactions ever.

(06-12-2019, 10:08 AM)Cheeky_Chappy Wrote: be carful with the traffic. some cars wont stop at red lights, make sure cars are coming before crossing. obvious but 7 people were killed by a speeding car at  a crossing the week before I arrived.

Even in Thailand and then Kiev I never cross until the car actually comes to a complete stop rather than slow down or I let them go through first.
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